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I haven't read the books in a long while, but when I was re-watching the movies recently, I remembered that even though it is depicted as Saruman causing the avalanche/storm on Caradhras, the book hinted that it was the mountain itself not wanting them to pass.

Is there any indication in canon as to why the mountain decided to hamper the way of the fellowship?

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That is a good question actually. Is Caradhras sentient? Or was Gandalf speaking metaphorically? –  System Down May 24 '12 at 18:29
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It's a mountain, it doesn't get out much and wanted to play :( –  NominSim May 24 '12 at 18:42

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In the book, Caradhras is not shown to be sentient. Whether it is merely a natural location where the weather is particularly bad or there is a supernatural force behind this is left unsaid. I think this is deliberate: the world is one where supernatural beings do exist (if trees walk, why not mountains?), and a hostile presence is a conceivable explanation, unlike weather patterns based on fluid mechanics.

In the movie, Saruman is shown to speak to Caradhras, but this does not happen in the book.

Caradhras is introduced in these terms (LOTR II.3):

Yonder stands Barazinbar, the Redhorn, cruel Caradhras

A few pages later the party comes into sight of the mountain:

On the third morning Caradhras rose before them, a mighty peak, tipped with snow like silver, but with sheer naked sides, dull red as if stained with blood.

There was a black look in the sky, and the sun was wan. The wind had gone now round to the north-east. Gandalf snuffed the air and looked back.

’Winter deepens behind us,’ he said quietly to Aragorn. ‘The heights away north are whiter than they were; snow is lying far down their shoulders. Tonight we shall be on our way high up towards the Redhorn Gate. We may well be seen by watchers on that narrow path, and waylaid by some evil; but the weather may prove a more deadly enemy than any.’

The setting is ominous (there are other negative signs, such as a flock of black crows). There are possibly monsters living in the mountains, but in Gandalf's words, the deadly enemy is the weather. The opinion of the party is divided:

‘We cannot go further tonight,' said Boromir. `Let those call it the wind who will; there are fell voices on the air; and these stones are aimed at us.’

‘I do call it the wind,’ said Aragorn. ‘But that does not make what you say untrue. There are many evil and unfriendly things in the world that have little love for those that go on two legs, and yet are not in league with Sauron, but have purposes of their own. Some have been in this world longer than he.’

‘Caradhras was called the Cruel, and had an ill name, said Gimli, `long years ago, when rumour of Sauron had not been heard in these lands.’

And later:

‘Caradhras has not forgiven us.’ he said. ‘He has more snow yet to fling at us, if we go on. The sooner we go back and down the better.’

The party is snowed in. Legolas goes scouting:

‘They despaired, until I returned and told them that the drift was little wider than a wall. And on the other side the snow suddenly grows less, while further down it is no more than a white coverlet to cool a hobbit's toes.’

‘Ah, it is as I said,’ growled Gimli. ‘It was no ordinary storm. It is the ill will of Caradhras. He does not love Elves and Dwarves, and that drift was laid to cut off our escape.’

So the place where the Fellowship is is hit particularly hard by snow. This could be due to some malevolent entity controlling the weather, or it could be a natural weather pattern — mountains have sudden, extreme weather events that can be surprising to plains dwellers.

And indeed with that last stroke the malice of the mountain seemed to be expended, as if Caradhras was satisfied that the invaders had been beaten off and would not dare to return. The threat of snow lifted; the clouds began to break and the light grew broader.

“As if” Caradhras was sentient — which isn't to say that he is.

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Though it isn't explicitly stated in the books whether Caradhras is sentient or not, Tolkien certainly has anthropomorphized the mountain so that the question still seems valid. –  NominSim May 24 '12 at 19:24
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@dlanod There is no doubt for me that Caradhras is not sentient, Tolkien only wants us to believe that his characters believe him so. –  Gilles May 24 '12 at 20:35
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I agree with your answer overall - the characters definitely believe in the malicious nature of Caradhras, it is not unambigiously shown to be sentient, and whether there is a supernatural force behind Caradhras is left unsaid. As you say, you have no doubt it is not sentient. I interpret the passage as implying that Caradhras probably has a nature (mountain) spirit in control, given we already have examples of river spirits (Goldberry) and tree spirits (Old Man Willow). –  dlanod May 24 '12 at 21:18
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@dlanod Ah, but the river spirits are spirits who live in the river, they are not the river. Old Man Willow is a tree — possibly a distant cousin of Ents, if not an Ent with unusual psychology. –  Gilles May 24 '12 at 21:25
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And this is exactly what Tolkien was trying to accomplish ;-) The "magic" and mysticism of Middle Earth are very closely related to what we (and earlier Britons) would have experienced. Just like sea-goers often attribute sentience or malevolence to the storms and waves of the open water, so it is with particular mountains. It certainly seems that thus-and-such mountain hates interlopers and drives them away with fierce storms, but it's really just a natural weather pattern... probably. –  Matt Feb 13 at 16:23

Personally, I always took it as an example of the Pathetic Fallacy, an anthropomorphization of nature. Caradhras isn't sentient, but it is a mighty mountain, tall and hard to cross, with nasty weather and dangerous trails. The "cruel" moniker that Gimli gives the mountain seems like the sort of thing that people who frequently suffer from the weather and hardship would say.

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Agreed! Cruel Everest, merciless Sagarmatha, has killed many a traveler, even though it lacks an evil sentience. –  Andres F. Feb 13 at 16:50

Morgoth raised the Misty Mountains (including Caradhras) specifically as an obstacle for Oromë. Caradhras is charged with the essence of an evil demigod - Sauron's boss and archenemy of the Valar and Maiar (say, Gandalf) - which is ample reason for it to harm and hinder the Fellowship.

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Great point, would be even greater if it cited a source. –  Michael Borgwardt Dec 5 '12 at 12:37
    
Source is Silmarillion chapter 3: "But the mountains were the Hithaeglir, the Towers of Mist upon the borders of Eriador; yet they were taller and more terrible in those days, and were reared by Melkor to hinder the riding of Oromë". –  Darth Satan Feb 13 at 10:22
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But isn't it implied by Aragorn that Caradhras "is not in league with Sauron" (which "it" would be, had it been raised by an evil spirit of Morgoth). In any case, a powerful deity raising mountains doesn't necessarily make those mountains "evil", just a physical obstacle. Haven't you played the old Populous videogames? :) –  Andres F. Feb 13 at 16:47

If you read the Silmarillion, the maia were kind of like spirits of less power than the Valar. The Balrogs were Maia in a form that they chose. Cadhras perhaps could be one?

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Is there any evidence or precedent for this at all? And that still does not address why it would not let them pass. –  BoBTFish Feb 13 at 10:21
    
This doesn't answer the question at all. Maybe you intended to write a comment instead? –  Andres F. Feb 13 at 16:51

If you read the lore of Middle Earth you would learn that everything has a spirit, even the earth, so maybe Caradhras is actually an rock/earth spirit and did not want to let them pass because he was a little tired of people crossing him.

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I don't remember even seeing that "everything has a spirit". Some things do, for sure, but I don't think everything does. A source would be nice. –  SSumner Oct 10 '12 at 16:27

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