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I don't expect a great answer till all parts are released, but at least, as per the current knowledge, what elements (plot, characters, events, ideas, dialog, items etc..) are known to be in Peter Jackson's "Hobbit" movie(s), which are taken from Tolkien legendarium (e.g. LOTR, Silmarillion, letters etc...) but NOT in the original "Hobbit" novel?

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Find out on Friday (for most of us) – BBlake Dec 10 '12 at 14:13
@BBlake I'm planning to skip the movie in protest (pointless, but still...) of the story being butchered to make more money. – Ward Dec 11 '12 at 5:30
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I am a lifelong Tolkien fan. I grew up being read and reading and re-reading and re-reading again and again the Lord of the Rings and the Hobbit. I have no problem whatsoever with Jackson taking a bit of Hollywood license in his version. I enjoy the books for what they are and I have enjoyed and will enjoy the movies for what they are. – BBlake Dec 11 '12 at 12:30
@Ward You should read The Hobbit again. You may find that you're not quite as precious about it as you think you are. It is very childish. – Django Reinhardt Dec 15 '12 at 1:09
Related meta discussion. – Keen Dec 17 '12 at 16:15
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Just saw it! Many Tales are woven together that are only barely mentioned in The Hobbit. I'll just quickly write that a lot of the expanded material comes from the writings that were still about Middle Earth and mostly the Appendices of LOTR. I'm not sure how much they were able to use from The Silmarillion and The Unfinished Tales It seems some of the material may also have come from earlier drafts of both The Hobbit and LOTR and other items (for example, the material used to feature Radagast must have at least in part, come from prior drafts of LOTR and The Hobbit where he had once played a larger role in the story of the ring. Radagast the Brown gets a much more extensive treatment than I would have ever expected and liberties were definitely taken with the timeline Tolkien indicates in his writing vs. what is depicted in the movie.) There were also additional bits that needed to occur in order to cohesively string together the other tales.

In the book, there is only a tiny piece written about Gandalf's acquiring of the key and map and the book only mentions the necromancer twice as well as only mentions a council between the elves and wizards - these events are greatly expanded in the movie/movies. I believe that additional piece comes from combining a short bit in the LOTR Appendices titled, "Journey to Dol Guldur" with items from the second age in The Silmarillion. There is more info about Durin and the fall of his people as well. Though, again I am only working from memory here.

When the movie is depicting scenes from the book The Hobbit it stays fairly true to the book throughout (with the exception of a "hunt" and related additions I will allow you to watch to find out more about.) There are changes here and there such as where exactly Bilbo gets stuck and loses his buttons and some of the dialogue, but the story is definitely there. I was disturbed somewhat by a mismatch with Tolkien's timeline of events and the one used to piece together the movie and still can't really decide whether I am glad for the additions or not. Film making is just such a different beast than writing a story in books after all.

The movie version delves into the rich complexities that make Middle Earth so engaging a place, but I do feel the loss of some of the simplicity of the original story sort of made the story lose a little in that Bilbo almost seems to lose his innocence and naivete just a little too soon for me. When I watched all three of the LOTR movies, I felt the changes made were necessary to move the story forward and even, in some cases, were better (like the additional complexity in Faramir's character). I enjoyed watching the movie - it was beautiful and was a great story and I'm glad I went, but I would argue that you should definitely not go expecting to see The Hobbit.

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I think given what they could have done, they remained remarkably faithful. Granted, it's not "The Hobbit" in the sense that it's nowhere near as simplistic and childish as that book, but the lore seemed largely solid, despite the most obvious changes. – Django Reinhardt Dec 15 '12 at 1:13
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I agree that it somehow managed to stay remarkably faithful despite the changes - I'm more on the fence than it may sound. It was still a spectacular movie and respectful if not reverent toward the orignial material. – balanced mama Dec 15 '12 at 4:10

Frodo isn't in the original text, though he might be in later versions, I'm not sure. He's listed on the IMDB page though.

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Or Legolas, or Gladriel, or in fact any female character to speak of except for a brief mention of Bilbo's mother, who is unnamed. – Jack B Nimble Dec 14 '12 at 6:46
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Frodo is only in the movie very briefly. Legolas is not. Galadriel is the one woman that really does show up in the movie and she is also present only briefly. – balanced mama Dec 14 '12 at 12:27
@balancedmama I've heard it is planned that Legolas will appear in at least one of the movies. He is after all the prince of the wood elves. – Jack B Nimble Dec 14 '12 at 15:46
@JackBNimble yes, and perhaps he will. I guess I should clarify that I am speaking only of the first installment. – balanced mama Dec 14 '12 at 16:02
@balancedmama Galadriel doesn't appear so briefly. Her character has a presence at least as strong as Elrond's, even though she isn't present at all in the book. – Andres F. Dec 17 '12 at 20:59
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