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Nekron is "Lord of the Unliving" and the ruler of a dimension where souls go after they die, although this is clarified as "before their final judgment". If Death of the Endless is also present in the DC Comics (or Detective Comics Comics) Universe, how is her/his/its dominion over death (and her/his/its task of shepherding the dead) reconciled with Nekron's powers, existence, dimension and his Black Lantern Corps?

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Really, Sandman can be considered 99% distinct from the DC Universe. The characters from Sandman don't interact on any significant level with the 'traditional' DC heroes, and Gaiman's characters just don't show up in DC's books.

That said, Nekron is nothing to Death. Death isn't a character, Death is an idea. The last idea, possibly. She doesn't have motives, she doesn't have desires, she doesn't have dreams. She just ferries.

Nekron's Black Lanterns seem to be undead. Death doesn't care about undeath. Death doesn't care if you are resurrected. Death doesn't fight Nekron for souls, howling when they are rent from it's grasp and forced into corpses. Death simply waits.

Death has taken Gods, lost gods, forgotten gods, new gods. Death will take Superman, Batman, Zeus, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Nekron, Desire, Dream, and, finally, when the Universe has wound down, Death.

Death is an idea, a concept, an irresistible force which came into being the instant the first form of life did. Nekron is nothing. And at the End, Death will "put the chairs on the tables and turn out the lights as [she] leaves." Nekron will have been completely forgotten, irregardless of his powers, his Corps, or his dimension.

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Are you saying he is roughly on par with, say, the Sandman's Lucifer? – Adele C Feb 26 '13 at 4:23
I wouldn't try bringing Gaiman's Christian figures into the mix, since it's even more muddled than the rest. In this confused cosmology, Zeus and Bast coexist with Thor, but the angels, and consequentially Lucifer as well, are treated differently, as if they were on some level of creation deeper, or higher. But still. The Endless are even deeper. Maybe. – Avner Shahar-Kashtan Feb 26 '13 at 5:38

In the DC Universe, the two entities Death and Nekron have very little to do with each other beyond both being related to the conceptual idea of death and dying and possibly having an existence that predates the current Universe. Curiously enough, both ARE concerned with Death, but their outlook on the implementation of that outlook is their primary difference.

As far as their relationship? Things die. Death sees to it. They eventually get shepherded to their respective afterlife. Those who find themselves in-between their paradise or punishment in the afterlife, find themselves hosted by Nekron in a purgatory (it is unclear if there is more than one purgatory) until such time as they move on. Purgatory was never meant to be a permanent condition. Though Nekron is the master of this Land, his control of it does not seem to disturb Death of the Endless, so he must be serving a purpose beyond mortal understanding, perhaps without even realizing it.

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Death of the Endless

  • Death is concerned with...well, death and all that entails. Death a member of the powerful beings called the Endless, one of the primal forces of the Universe is completely content to let the Universe END at its own natural rate.

Neil Gaiman (the character's creator) feels She is the most powerful of all of the known incarnations of Death manifested in the DC Universe. Other known incarnations include Nekron and the Black Racer of the New Gods.

  • She is content to let things die at their appointed time and not before. She is not obsessed with things living or dying in any particular way and rarely interferes with the natural order of things.

  • Death is an integral part of this Universe coming into existence as the Universe did. There is a part of Death which may actually predate the current Universe and will exist after this universe is gone. She has even admitted she will be turning up the chairs and turning out the lights after the Universe has ended.

It is unclear whether Death can die. Though she has incredible magical might and some level of omniscience, she is without fear, strangely moral, and despite this remains the most cheerful member of the Endless.

Nekron, Lord of the Unliving

Nekron is more concerned with subverting death, returning the dead to a semblance of life, so he may further his goal of bringing death to the Universe at large, the sooner, the better. No one knows his origin or how he came to become lord of the Land of the Unliving.

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Geoff Johns: All you need to know about Nekron is that he is one of the most powerful dark forces in the universe… if not the most powerful. He is the darkness. He's someone I've wanted to explore for a while. But you'll learn more and more about him as the series goes on. It'll all become clear as you read more… but he's not really a villain. Nekron is existence. --Nekron is the first villain the Guardian attempted to imprison

  • Nekron exists and can only exist OUTSIDE of our Universe in a realm between Heaven and Hell, a waiting area for souls as they transmigrate from the realm of the living.

"...Toward the timeless domain of my most majestic master-- Nekron, Lord of the Unliving. And there in that place that is neither Heaven nor Hell, that place which lies somewhere between eternal peace and eternal punishment as souls beyond numbering stood waiting with infinite patience, my master sensed the coming of Krona and he knew that it was good."

  • Nekron can only exist within our universe if he has a host or avatar to inhabit. While inhabiting that avatar, he wields fantastic power but can be sent home if his avatar is destroyed.
  • He was revealed as the mastermind behind the Black Lantern Corps and the Blackest Night event, Nekron actually attempted to destroy all of the ring-wielders, the Oans and the Emotional Electromagnetic Spectrum including the White Light of Life itself.
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Death of the Endless is THE primal force, idea, embodiment, etc. of death as a whole. She is immortal and omipotent.

Nekron is Lord of the Unliving and is immortal (in a sense) but they never listed him as an omnipotent. He is just really, really, really, really powerful. BUT there has been some hints where he is not only a part of the darkness, but is perhaps THE darkness itself.

With that in mind, both beings are idealistic creations of Death and The Darkness itself. Both exist as manifestations of an idea of something beyond human or universal understanding. Just as death will live on as an incarnation of the universe deminishes, the darkness will continue to live on as well.

HOWEVER, it is also said that Nekron is an embodiment of Death and Lord of the Unliving. With this in mind, Nekron could possibly be a part of Death of the Endless. Little is known about Nekron's origin and that plays a huge part in this conversation.

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