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There is no mention of a House Noye on AWOIAF, and besides the fact that Donal Noye served at Storm's End, no indication that he is of noble birth. Does anyone know why he has a surname?

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Perhaps its actually just a second part of his first name? Something like Sue Ellen or Mary Lou in our language? Also, this is pure guesswork, but if he were from the free cities originally then maybe their naming conventions are different there. – YonkeyDonk64 Aug 21 '14 at 14:39
Don't all nightswatchmen with senior roles get to give themselves surnames if they don't already have one? The head of Eastwatch was a commoner and an iron islander with the sort of history where no-one noble was going to knight him, and he had a surname ("Cotter Pyke", if I remember right?). I've got a feeling there was some mention of it being necessary else the ex-lords and knights with lowly roles wouldn't take their no-surname superiors seriously. – user568458 Aug 21 '14 at 16:25
Cotter Pyke is a bastard, and is given a bastard name as a result. "Pyke" designates a bastard from the Iron Islands. – Leo King Aug 21 '14 at 16:36
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Reasons Donald Noye had a surname in Game of Thrones(theories)

  • Want

Noye helped the king. Maybe the king offered him knighthood, but he turned it down and instead asked for a name. He did show bravery and other knightly qualities, so I think it can be said he was offered the knighthood. But something stopped him from achieving it.

  • Repute

Noye did "great" things and he was rewarded for those things by being given a name.

This quote was supplied by, but is apparently from Chapter 19, A Game of Thrones:

Noye made my first sword for me, and Robert’s warhammer as well. Had the god seen fit to spare him, he would have made a better Lord Commander for your order than any of these fools who are squabbling over it now.

This is sort of connected to my above theory. And it was said by Stannis so that sort of talks about a godly interaction or that it just wasn't meant for him. I mean being a lord commander or being a knight.

  • He couldn't be knighted

According to the wikia:

He was minorly injured in battle, but the wound festered, and he lost the arm and came to the Wall.

So what would be the use of knighting a armless "knight", its not like he could do anything. So instead he was given a name. This theory, however, has some flaws.

  • Is it in the timeline that he was given a name?

Who can knight you so that the knighting would stick? A SFF.SE question.

Alternately(from the link) the user RumHam supplies:

haha oops. I guess I should have read more than the title. I still stand the the answer is in that thread somewhere among the following points

  • Being knighted is far from a given just because you fought for the winning side in a war.
  • Being a knight costs money, you have to be able to afford your own armor, warhorse, and sword.
  • There's not really any indication that Stannis, Robert, or Renly especially liked Noye.
  • He didn't have an arm, and thus had lost his value even as a non-combatant (he used to be a smith, and was not from an important family) so there was no political reason to Knight him.

Valid reasons?

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Excellent answer, well informed speculation. I'll hold for a day or so to see if anyone can come up with a definite answer, else I'll accept this one. – Leo King Aug 21 '14 at 16:38

This is pure guesswork, but on A Storm of Swords, Chapter 76 (Jon) we learn that he used to work as a blacksmith at Storm's End. There he forged Robert Baratheon's warhammer, which was used to crash Rhaegar at the Rebellion, which led to victory.

So, maybe Robert rewarded him, raising him in the society, by giving him a last name or allowing him to choose one.

I haven't seen any official source explaining why Donal has a last name, so unless Martin tells us, it's just guessing.

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