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I remember reading somewhere a theory that V'ger (the being that the Voyager probe had become in Star Trek: The Motion Picture) was somehow responsible for the creation of the Borg. Is this canonical? Where does the theory come from? And how exactly did it go down?

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I've never heard this, and AFAIK it couldn't possibly be true, since the Borg are older than the Voyager probe. (Plus, how could V'ger get to the Delta quadrant and back?) – JSBձոգչ Jan 18 '11 at 23:47
V'ger machine culture aliens vastly more powerful than the Borg. Why? Well they built a machine around voyager, that took 30 minutes for Enterprise to fly on impulse engines. And that was build around an old rocket with primitive solars cells, valves as a computer. I suspect they threw their own tat out onto Voyager, since they never needed it, but it was still vastly, many orders of magnitude more powerful than enterprise. – scope_creep Jan 19 '11 at 1:23
Isn't this a duplicate?… – Wikis Mar 15 '11 at 21:07
@wikis I would argue that it is a more specific question as to whether or not a certain borg creation story is canonical and where that particular creation story originates. As opposed to the one you link which asks just for the canon creation story. – Daniel Bingham Mar 17 '11 at 16:50
It's more like, V'ger and the Borg share a common ancestor. V'ger eventually became a creature of pure energy. Q, anyone? – user8357 Aug 17 '12 at 15:20
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It looks like this explanation for the origin of the Borg is not canon.

The Star Trek Encyclopedia speculates that there could be a connection between the Borg and V'ger, the vessel encountered in Star Trek: The Motion Picture; this is advanced in William Shatner's novel The Return. The connection was also suggested in a letter in Starlog #160 (November 1990). The letter writer, Christopher Haviland, also speculated that the original Borg drones were members of a race called "The Preservers", which Spock had suggested in the original series episode The Paradise Syndrome might be responsible for why so many humanoids populate the galaxy. Coincidentally, in the novelization of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (written by Gene Roddenberry), the V'ger entity notes that the Ilia probe is resisting the programming given to it because of residual memories and feelings for Decker, from its precise replication of the Deltan lieutenant. When V'ger becomes aware of this, it decides that "the resistance was futile, of course".

The extra section of the game Star Trek: Legacy contains the "Origin of the Borg", which tells the story of V'ger being sucked into a black hole. V'ger was found by a race of living machines which gave it a form suitable to fulfilling its simplistic programming. Unable to determine who its creator could be, the probe declared all carbon-based life an infestation of the creator's universe, leading to assimilation. From this, the Borg were created, as extensions of V'ger's purpose. Drones were made from those assimilated and merged into a collective consciousness. The Borg Queen was created out of the necessity for a single unifying voice. However, with thoughts and desires of her own, she was no longer bound to serve V'ger. This explanation, however, is not canon.

Unfortunate, because that would be kind of awesome.

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I would vote this up like a gazillion times if I could. I've been looking for this! Thanks @Bill – morganpdx Jan 19 '11 at 0:21
@morganpdx: I would have to disagree. This is a clunky, ham-fisted, contrived reverse-deus-ex-machina. It is like a 15 year old wrote it. – DampeS8N Jan 19 '11 at 1:21
@Damp I was referring to the locating of the answer, not the quality of the answer itself. – morganpdx Jan 19 '11 at 18:47
@DampeS8N: "...clunky, ham-fisted, contrived reverse-deus-ex-machina." Are you referring to Shatner's book or the Wikipedia article? Because one of those might have actually been written by a 15 year old. ;) – Bill the Lizard Jan 19 '11 at 19:52
@Bill the Lizard: LOL, Star Trek: Legacy was probably written by a 15 year old, now that I think about it... I was referring to the plot itself. – DampeS8N Jan 19 '11 at 20:10

Let me see what I can recall from memory.

Voyager 6 amassed an amazing amount of information, and shortly afterwards, encountered a machine-based race which recognized (what they thought was named) VGer as one of its kind, repaired it as best they could, and build it a ship so it could get home.

It's made pretty clear that until Q send the enterprise to meet the Borg, they were unaware of our existence, which suggests that they had no information that VGer's data banks would have provided. The unnamed machine race surely knew where VGer came from, cause they sent it back.

Neat bit of guessing, but not sure how correct it is.

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V'ger's memory banks were heavily damaged. – Valorum Apr 5 at 20:01
But clearly the point of origin and eventual desired destination were intact, or they'd have had no way to sent him (it...I meant it.) back. As many people noted at the time of the film, there's quite a similarity between the stories of VGer and Nomad, though Nomad's data banks were far more damaged. – VBartilucci Apr 5 at 20:10
That may well be the case, but it's hardly evidence that the Borg had any involvement. Even if you (for some reason) insist on a machine/organic hybrid species being involved, there are others to choose from, not just the Borg. – Valorum Apr 5 at 20:15
I think you misread my comment - I was making the case that it was NOT the Borg, but an unnamed machine-based race. – VBartilucci Apr 5 at 20:17
Ah, but in that case, how do you explain the arrival of the Borg in Enterprise. Catch 22 – Valorum Apr 5 at 20:31

I feel like it's probably a mixture between the technological and biological becoming one, from separate origins.

In Star Trek: Voyager, the Borg Queen told Captain Janeway (and eluded the same to Commander Data in First Contact) that the Borg had originally developed their obsession with perfection as entirely biological beings living in the Delta Quadrant. They used selective breeding and genetic engineering, to "perfect" their biological form. At some point after that, they began including cybernetic components to further perfect their form, in their eyes, but she doesn't say exactly when.

So you have a race of biological beings that have standardized themselves in form and function, who, at some point, began augmenting themselves with technology in an effort to further perfect their species.

Elsewhere in the galaxy, the NASA Voyager probe assimilated so much data that it became self-aware, and then began assimilating more and more technology in an effort to become the "perfect" artificial intelligence. V'ger had reached the limit of its potential as an entirely technological being. In order to continue its evolution toward perfection, V'ger would have to begin assimilating organic biology. V'ger assimilated Lieutenant Ilia (probably the first Borg Queen - I mean just look at her) and Decker (the first Borg drone to serve the first Queen). Then V'ger left the Sol System headed for parts unknown.

If V'ger ended up in the Delta Quadrant, seeking to add more biological specimens to assimilate in order to add to its own distinctiveness, and encountered a race with the same unyielding obsession in the early (biological) Borg - then the rest is self-exolanatory.

And, on Voyager's journey home from the Delta Quadrant, they encountered two wormholes that not only covered vast distances, but also spanned many years of time. So, if V'ger had gotten to the Delta Quadrant via a wormhole, then there's no telling "when" it may have arrived there in the Star Trek canonical timeline.

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Interesting, but lacking authority. – DCShannon Apr 6 at 0:25

For me, the difference in technology between the quality of V'ger's work and that of the Borg is simply to great. If you look at the quality of the Ilia probe with the molicule sized processors. The Borg are crude and clumsy by comparison.

There are a couple of times, once in First Contact, the other with Lore, that even Data and Lore were more advanced technologically than most drones. So it would be like the president of Ferrari deciding he needs a performance car, so let's build a "Model T Roadster". There would be no reason to make the Borg so primitive compared to the Ilia probe.

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This doesn't answer the question in any meaningful sense. The Borg have clearly evolved since their creation. – Valorum Apr 5 at 19:31

It landed on the central node and the Borg upgraded it and renamed it vger that's all the letters that were left on the probe on its hundreds of years journey back to earth it compiled so much data that it became self aware. there's a part in the movie where spock saw a machine planet and during his meld with vger said that resistance would be futile the upgraded tech and size came from the accumulation of thousands of races it encountered its main weapon was not a weapon it was a probe in a sense it remembered things to death.

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This answer doesn't provide anything that the already accepted answer has provided – HorusKol Oct 12 '12 at 23:46

Vger in my opinion has nothing to do with the creation of the Borg... why... not everything has to draw back to the original series. Secondly the SPACE is vast and the Borg are not the only "living machines". Also ummmm remember that time traveling spaceship Captain Braxton was on it. Well if they knew this information wouldn't they just go back stop Voyager (aka Vger) from being launched sure it would cut the motion picture but that is an average movie anyway. In my opinion now you can take this or leave it but remember the Star Trek Voyager episode Unity where Chakotay helps this planet of ex drones where they force there will to unite everyone... that is probably a better explanation of the Borg that or a medical/ military experiment gone wrong.

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Do you have any evidence other than "well, it doesn't have to be" ? – Izkata Dec 5 '13 at 0:01

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