Timeline for Why would Gandalf (as ring-lord) be worse than Sauron?
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Jun 24, 2022 at 9:18 | comment | added | Binary Worrier | @Andy: I couldn't agree more mate, they get you coming and going. I left Catholicism behind a loooooooooooong time ago. | |
Jun 23, 2022 at 17:37 | comment | added | Andy | @BinaryWorrier I have a real problem with this, because it doesn't distinguish between the reality in your mind and external reality or the existing of the interface between the two. Suppose I actually do steal something in the reality in my mind, and by doing so, lose interest in doing so in external reality? And suppose I specifically do this in order to eliminate said latter desire because I know it's wrong and want to remove the chances of it happening? | |
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Nov 3, 2015 at 23:34 | comment | added | Jonathon | Great answer. Perhaps the one thing you do not get into is how Sauron is any better. Basically, the idea here is that Gandalf would control absolutely, as would care for each of his subjects he would exert his will upon them to force them to this good path. While Sauon, being evil, ultimately does not care about his subjects, and therefor mostly leaves them to their own devices. | |
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Nov 3, 2015 at 22:18 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | Jason - check my Christianity SE answer for you! | |
Oct 4, 2015 at 22:00 | comment | added | John Bell | @jason I really love the first point of that link. | |
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Oct 1, 2015 at 13:18 | comment | added | Jason Baker | @MattGutting I'm thinking this one may be more relevant, but I'm having a hard time grokking this stuff | |
Sep 30, 2015 at 10:59 | comment | added | Binary Worrier | @JasonBaker: By all means dude! Take it away :) | |
Sep 30, 2015 at 9:00 | vote | accept | John Bell | ||
Sep 29, 2015 at 20:06 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | I think I found it - though it may not be easy to understand :-D | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 19:59 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | Trying to find the appropriate item in the Summa Theologica. I know it's in there somewhere. | |
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Sep 29, 2015 at 17:25 | comment | added | Jason Baker | @BinaryWorrier Mind if I borrow that? Like I said I don't know anything about Catholic morality, but that's something very relevant when discussing Tolkien's moral viewpoints | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 17:24 | comment | added | Binary Worrier | . . . This is the disfigureth good and maketh it seem hateful part from Mandos above. Also the act of forcing another to the right path corrupts you, for you are enslaving them to it, and removing their free will. (and there was me thinking learning all that catechism was wasted effort . . . oh wait it still was wasted effort :p) | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 17:24 | comment | added | Binary Worrier | I can remember being thought (in Catholic school) that intending to steal something when the opportunity arises, is still a sin even if the opportunity doesn't arise. The choice to commit the sin is as bad as committing the sin. Freedom to sin is an important part of Catholicism. Removing that freedom (forcing them to walk the correct path) removes the truth of their redemption (because they did not make the choice). It will demonize the "good path" because it is a thing you are enslaved to, and so one will eventually rebel against it . . . | |
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Sep 29, 2015 at 17:10 | comment | added | Jason Baker | @MattGutting Go ahead; readability is key. Also, I don't know anything about Catholic morality, but it does make sense that Tolkien's writing would be influenced by that | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 17:08 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | If it's OK, I'd like to edit your answer to make your references more visible. They're tiny on my display. | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 17:07 | comment | added | Matt Gutting | This sounds very much like Catholic reasoning, in which not just a given deed, but the reason why you do it, is important in evaluating its morality. | |
Sep 29, 2015 at 16:15 | history | answered | Jason Baker | CC BY-SA 3.0 |