Timeline for Did the Rebellion know that the Emperor was the Sith Lord Darth Sidious?
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| Oct 24, 2016 at 18:43 | comment | added | Null♦ | @Adamant You make a lot of good points and should turn those comments into an answer. | |
| Oct 23, 2016 at 5:20 | comment | added | Adamant | It’s probably worth noting that, as a leader of the Rebellion, Bail could not really have revealed Palpatine’s Sith affiliation to the population as a whole (as opposed to Rebel soldiers who trusted him) . It would have been dismissed either as a crazy, unsubstantiated rumor, or as Rebel propaganda. As Senator Bail Organa he probably could have, if he’d stood up in the Senate and told everyone…but I think he knew what would have happened then. | |
| Oct 23, 2016 at 5:17 | comment | added | Adamant | Basically, I think Bail: (1) Strongly suspect the Emperor was a Sith, (2) didn’t know for sure, and (3) didn’t know he was Darth Sidious. He definitely knew that (4) Palpatine had orchestrated the Clone Wars to take power. He didn’t spread it about because (a) he did not know for sure, (b) it would only have demoralized his troops to know that their enemy had godlike powers, (c) he didn’t want the Emperor learning that Bail knew of his identity. | |
| Oct 23, 2016 at 5:02 | comment | added | Adamant | Bail would have good reason not to tell any but his inner circle his suspicions about the Emperor, in any case. The Empire could well have had spies at low levels of the Rebellion, and Bail would not want the Emperor to learn that someone knew of his secret. | |
| Oct 23, 2016 at 4:57 | comment | added | Adamant | Even in the film, Bail is around when Obi-Wan says “We must take them somewhere where the Sith will not sense their presence.” Now, I don’t know if anyone ever told Bail about Darth Sidious, but that line would give him good reason to suspect that the Sith were in charge of the Empire (plus the whole killing Jedi thing). | |
| Oct 23, 2016 at 4:48 | comment | added | Adamant |
I’m inclined to agree with @thegreatjedi here (except for the fact that Ahsoka knew, of course). Bail had much of the same information from which Ahsoka could reasonably have concluded that the Emperor was Sidious. Besides, look at what he says in the novelization: “Please trust that what we do is only a cover for our true task. We will never betray the legacy of the Jedi. I will never surrender the Republic to the Sith.”
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| Oct 23, 2016 at 4:34 | comment | added | Adamant | @thegreatjedi - Ah…. | |
| Mar 20, 2016 at 6:41 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | Maybe he would have told Mon Mothma and other topmost leaders, maybe not. imo his job isn't to fight the Sith, it's to keep the Rebellion away from the Sith and plan to fight Sidious only in case the Jedi fail. | |
| Mar 20, 2016 at 6:41 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | on that, I believe Bail deliberately kept it a secret from the Rebellion, at best telling only his innermost circle. It's a similar reason why the Jedi didn't inform the Senate the full extent of the Sith's involvement in the Clone Wars - it would have caused general panic and demoralisation with no practical benefit. He didn't even tell Ahsoka, who's as good a Jedi as any in his ranks - if she didn't know about Vader, she definitely didn't know about Sidious. Let the Rebellion rank-and-file worry about fighting the Empire, leave him and the Jedi to worry about fighting the Sith Lords. | |
| Mar 20, 2016 at 0:51 | vote | accept | Spar10 Leonidas | ||
| Mar 19, 2016 at 18:56 | comment | added | Null♦ | @thegreatjedi I largely agree with your points, but if Bail knew I would think that the Rebellion would have to -- and everyone acts as if the Rebellion doesn't. Thus I have to assume that Bail somehow didn't know. | |
| Mar 19, 2016 at 11:31 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | Finally, after Palpatine moved in to the Jedi Temple-cum-Imperial Palace, he spent most of his days at the Sith shrine beneath it. He formed a Ruling Council to rule in his place, which in turn created an illusion using body doubles that Palpatine is still publicly active. So, if the real Palpatine rarely goes out to work, it's probable he would never have encountered Bail in close proximity ever again. | |
| Mar 19, 2016 at 11:29 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | Additionally, he had already planned to prepare for a rebellion. He would need advice. And being a close friend of the Jedi, knowing Yoda and Obi-Wan, he's not one to question why the two are seemingly abandoning the galaxy to its fate and going into exile. I think he must know something about the Jedi's plans, about the what and why. At this point, the Jedi have no reason to hide anything from a close friend who is planning to overthrow Palpatine one day. He needs to know what he's up against. | |
| Mar 19, 2016 at 11:27 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | Given what we know Bail knows, it's unlikely he doesn't know Palpatine = Sidious imo. He knows Yoda is going to confront Palpatine about Order 66. He knows Yoda plans to bring Palpatine to justice. Yet he knows even a Grand Master like Yoda may fail, since he's told to standby as Yoda's escape plan. Given he never believed Palpatine's speech, and other circumstantial facts, it's highly improbable he couldn't connect the dots and figure out, even if not Palpatine's identity, but at least the full extent of the power he wields personally, enough to oppose even Yoda. | |
| Mar 18, 2016 at 5:22 | history | answered | Null♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |