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| May 9, 2016 at 0:30 | vote | accept | Often Right | ||
| May 4, 2016 at 0:01 | comment | added | Misha R | @N_Soong And how would you know that something has sugar in it without the qualia of "sweet?" That's the difference between "detection" and "reaction." Water reacts to sugar by becoming viscous - but it does not detect it, because there is no qualification of data happening. The receptors in our tongue react to sugar as well, but our brain qualifies it - "this is sugar." And the sweet sensation is what this qualia "feels" like to the computer that is our brain. It is essentially the sensation of sorting data. Detection and qualia are innately linked. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 22:28 | comment | added | Often Right | @MishaRosnach I disagree; I think both we and Data would detect through electronic impulses, tasting or smelling adds qualia to those detections | |
| May 3, 2016 at 19:31 | comment | added | Xantec | To piggyback @T.J.L. comment, taste for humans is simply the chemo-receptors on our tongue responding to chemicals in the foods we eat. Data's tongue can perform the same function (the emotion chip didn't replace his tongue) but it was Data's ability to feel the effect of the foods he eats that he wanted in 'Hero Worship'. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 14:17 | comment | added | T.J.L. | Data can taste, and does so in Generations. The comment from Hero Worship was directed a child. He was likely referring to his ability to enjoy a flavor (or hate one, as he did in Generations) as "taste" rather than the ability to collect and process information with his tongue. Without the emotion chip, he can have the experience without forming an opinion it one way or the other. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 13:43 | comment | added | Misha R | @N_Soong That's a slightly awkward argument to make. Biologically, we have an experience associated with every detection - an experience of taste, an experience of color, tone, volume, etc. We don't detect anything in terms of numbers and code. We also have no experience with the sensation of detection outside of our own. We know that a computer can detect stuff and express information about it, but we have no way of knowing what right numbers and wrong numbers might "feel" like to a sophisticated computer. It may very well be that all hierarchical detection is experiential on some level. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 7:00 | comment | added | Often Right | @MishaRosnach indeed, but it would be inaccurate to say taste is detection. It's that, but more so the experience associated with that detection | |
| May 3, 2016 at 5:47 | comment | added | Misha R | To be fair, tasting is the biological method of detecting. "Taste" is, in fact, what detection of chemicals in food feels like. Whether we like or dislike the taste of something is how we tell good stuff from bad stuff. Since Data doesn't eat food, none of it makes a difference to him - so he can detect chemicals (i.e. taste them), but cannot attach feelings to the "taste" the way we do. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 5:07 | comment | added | Ham Sandwich | Let's just pretend that Data with emotions never happened. It's not quite as bad as "Threshold," but it was horrible nonetheless. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 3:16 | comment | added | Often Right | @sfhq_sf well then that is indeed another piece of evidence- good pick up! | |
| May 3, 2016 at 2:37 | comment | added | Mazura | "I sense injuries. The data could be called 'pain'." – Terminator 2 | |
| May 3, 2016 at 2:32 | comment | added | sfhq_sf | @N_Soong: Data picked up on the smell as soon as Kivas opened the little door covering the card and later when Data was alone, Data opened the door himself for another sniff. | |
| May 3, 2016 at 2:09 | comment | added | sfhq_sf | @N_Soong: Data also was able to smell the bubble gum scent of the Roger Maris baseball card in the episode "The Most Toys". | |
| May 3, 2016 at 1:49 | history | answered | Often Right | CC BY-SA 3.0 |