Timeline for Why doesn't Captain America accept the need for checks & balances on superheroes?
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| May 11, 2016 at 6:29 | comment | added | Juha Untinen | @Almo: The original form of Democracy was: "the loudest voice wins", where the word "loudest" should be taken literally, not figuratively. | |
| May 10, 2016 at 16:21 | comment | added | T.J.L. | @thegreatjedi Did you miss each of them signing the Accords individually, individually agreeing to abide by it? I would trust Steve to judge for himself. I wouldn't trust Bruce, but not the Hulk. Bruce is a great example; more than once he's made the right choice - that the Hulk is dangerous. He's taken himself out of the equation voluntarily, only to be dragged back in. If Bruce were to sign the Accords, the UN would have the legal right to force him to become the Hulk when they decided. Besides... as a matter of course, I distrust the judgement of anybody with "great" in his name. ;) | |
| May 10, 2016 at 16:14 | comment | added | thegreatjedi | @T.J.L. Yes you may trust Cpt USA, but we're talking about principles here. You can't expect Cap to be always at the helm. And in principle, do you trust every superhero to know better? Would you trust the Hulk to decide when smashing is the right thing to do? That's what I think Tony is driving at: superheroes should be subject to the rule of law too. The UN decides what the Avengers can & can't do. If they do something against permission and it turns out badly, they've to bear legal liability. If the Avenger isn't happy with the UN, he can quit. It's the same system as soldiers & government. | |
| May 10, 2016 at 13:19 | comment | added | Almo | @mg30rg But the US isn't a democracy. It's a "representative republic". One built with checks and balances, which is one of the defining charactaristics of the US version of this form of government. | |
| May 10, 2016 at 10:04 | comment | added | mg30rg | @Almo "Checks and Balances" are definitely part of true democracy. They are the warranty that democracy does not become the tyranny of the majority - or a group of people claiming to be the majority. - That, you can believe to somebody from a country where the system of "Checks and Balances" were systematically eroded by the governing party in the last 6 years. (Now they aren't even in true majority, but they have almost absolute power.) | |
| May 10, 2016 at 7:58 | comment | added | WhatEvil | Tony Stark: "THAT's good. That's why I'm here. When I realized my weapons were capable of in the wrong hands, I shut it down; stop manufacturing." Steve Rogers: "Tony. You CHOSE to do that. If we sign this, we surrender our right to CHOOSE" So Tony is pro-life, and Cap is pro-choice? Classic debate. | |
| May 10, 2016 at 6:16 | comment | added | Dennis van Gils | @ChrisB.Behrens now I imagine Trump telling the avengers what to do | |
| May 10, 2016 at 0:56 | comment | added | DariM | @jpmc26 And Cap observes this. Aside from the hesitations he has, when they meet up later he's willing to start talking about some concessions. Then he finds out that Wanda Maximoff is basically under house arrest, her rights and freedoms don't matter to the people calling the shots. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 23:59 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @Flambino Barring a draft, a soldier is always free to leave the military if they feel they cannot in good conscience continue to obey orders. Even in a draft, I believe there are sometimes accommodations for moral objection. It sounds like superheros would be denied that right. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 23:28 | comment | added | DariM | Captain America has never been JUST a soldier. He has always been a shitty soldier, and a great LEADER. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 19:38 | history | edited | TenthJustice | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 9, 2016 at 18:27 | comment | added | Sean Vieira | He was a soldier - he is not inclined to give up his will again, given the current people in power. He's for the current set of individuals whom he does trust keeping their autonomy as opposed to giving it up to a set of leaders whom he does not trust. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 16:29 | comment | added | Flambino | Cap may be right or wrong and regardless he's entitled to his opinion. It is odd, though, since he's the soldier. Soldiers don't get a say in where they get sent or not sent. Should be more natural to him than anyone else that there's a chain of command above him, and that it's civilian and political at the top. That is the structure he (quite literally!) signed up for, all those years ago, isn't it? And now he's kinda-sorta advocating preemptive mutiny. Odd. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 15:20 | comment | added | Almo | "Checks and Balances" are not part of "true democracy". True democracy (which we totally do not have in the US, and that's a good thing) is everybody votes on everything, and the majority view is taken. It doesn't function for groups of people larger than <some amount that the political scientists will tell you>. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 15:12 | comment | added | Chris B. Behrens | Cap can imagine either of the two American party nominees with the Avengers at their beck and call. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 12:19 | comment | added | T.J.L. | @Davidmh I would trust Cap's judgement over any governments', too. After all, he made Thor's hammer wobble. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 8:25 | comment | added | Davidmh | @PointlessSpike I don't think he is. He just trusts himself more than the government. | |
| May 9, 2016 at 8:06 | comment | added | PointlessSpike | Sounds like he's advocating that powerful people should be allowed to do what they want. Which is surprising, given, well, this: static.srcdn.com/slir/w570-h428-q90-c570:428/wp-content/uploads/… | |
| May 9, 2016 at 5:56 | history | edited | Liath | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 9, 2016 at 1:11 | history | answered | TenthJustice | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
