Timeline for Is the Klingon alphabet inspired by Tibetan alphabet?
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| May 26, 2019 at 13:08 | comment | added | Valorum | @Randal'Thor - For the record, I've never seen them in the same room together. So it might be like a sort of Superman/Clark Kent thing with the two of them. | |
| May 26, 2019 at 12:48 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor♦ | Ah, I see, sorry. @MaryAnn The phonemes were described by Okrand, as that quote shows, but apparently not the letters. | |
| May 26, 2019 at 12:37 | comment | added | Valorum | @Randal'Thor - The quote makes it clear that Okrand wasn't involved in the creation of the alphabet.... and nor was Okuda. | |
| May 26, 2019 at 12:09 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor♦ | @Valorum Okrand =/= Okuda. | |
| May 25, 2019 at 11:13 | comment | added | Mary Ann | I will remind everyone of the actual question: "Are there any statements by those involved in the show indicating that this is the case?" And, as my answer stated, clearly, the answer is no. Okrand did not, at any time, state that there was any tie-in to any other language's letter shapes. Period. Saying, 'well, it looks a lot like [language A] or [language B] doesn't make it a certainty that it was taken from some other language, especially when the creator of it, Okrand, says it's not related, and was created as a whole with the use of only things that had already been in a ST series. | |
| May 25, 2019 at 10:46 | history | edited | Mary Ann | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Corrected the source link as people seemed not to be able to click on anything AT the link itself, and were complaining. And noted that the change was made.
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| May 25, 2019 at 10:38 | comment | added | Mary Ann | @Valorum, the PDF you link to came from the the source I used: "(a version of this article appeared in the first issue of HolQeD, the journal of the Klingon Language Institute, and is used here with their permission)" is stated at the very top, and the Klingon Institute is my source used. And why are you denying Okrand's involvement?. Direct from your link: "More recently we’ve been treated to a different alphabet ... one which corresponds to the phonemes of Klingon as described by Okrand in The Klingon Dicitionary[sic]" | |
| Oct 9, 2016 at 2:08 | vote | accept | Golden Cuy | ||
| Sep 25, 2016 at 21:04 | comment | added | Valorum | @PatrickWynne - Well, several of them look very similar indeed. a vs ja, b vs ra (on its side), gh vs ra, u vs sa (minus the tail), etc etc. | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 19:34 | comment | added | Patrick Wynne | I really don't see this so-called "striking resemblance". The Tibetan letter forms are far more complex than the Klingon and the Klingon letters are more blobbier (for lack of a better term). And none of the actual shapes are that similar either, with the sole exception—maybe, if you squint a little—of the Klingon s and Tibetan ra. Other than both having strokes with sharp points, there's really no resemblance at all. | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 10:19 | comment | added | Valorum | @DuaneDibbley - Except that Okrand had no hand in designing these letters. "More recently we’ve been treated to a different alphabet, (often incorrectly attributed to Michael Okuda, scenic designer for Star Trek: The Next Generation™),... an unofficial letter to a Klingon fan group from an unnamed source at Paramount resulted in the following alphabet:" - web.archive.org/web/20061208232839/http://www.kli.org/pdf/… | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 9:54 | comment | added | user68965 | @Valorum Since the good doctor is a professional linguist, he's almost certain to have seen it. And whether conciously or {sub|un}conciously, it clearly influenced the design. | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 9:48 | comment | added | Valorum | @DuaneDibbley - Which I think is the nub of the question. Was the person at Paramount who designed the letters inspired by the Tibetan alphabet. I'd say the answer is that they'd clearly seen it, or something very similar. | |
| S Sep 25, 2016 at 9:17 | history | suggested | Golden Cuy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Add formatting for block quoting
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| Sep 25, 2016 at 8:49 | comment | added | user68965 | @Valorum There's definitely a striking resemblance between the glyphs, but if the transliteration is accurate, the phonemes represented by the glyphs don't match. I'd say the glyphs may well be inspired by the Tibetan alphabet, but the Klingon alphabet as a whole (i.e. the glyphs and their relation to specific phonemes) probably isn't. | |
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| Sep 25, 2016 at 8:00 | comment | added | Valorum | You're mistaking the language (e.g. the sounds of the language) with the written language that was subsequently written around the language. The link between the two is really very striking. | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:54 | comment | added | Mary Ann | Actually, that's not what the question said. However, the language's creator made the language out of whole cloth, with zero reference to Tibetan, or even Cuneiform, for that matter. I added another reference link to point that out. He began with what the artists had already used in the previous Canon, and formed the rest from his own creativity. | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:52 | history | edited | Mary Ann | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Added to clarify that the language's creator created it out of whole cloth, and the alphabet is not related to Tibetan.
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| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:43 | review | First posts | |||
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| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:41 | history | edited | Mary Ann | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Corrected link - misunderstood how to do a hyperlink here.
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| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:40 | comment | added | Valorum | The OP is not asking about the synthetic language, they're asking about the letter shapes used. e.g. This vs. this | |
| Sep 25, 2016 at 7:39 | history | answered | Mary Ann | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
