Timeline for If Dumbledore is the most powerful wizard (allegedly), why would he work at a glorified boarding school? Is there a role with more responsibility?
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| Oct 17, 2016 at 10:54 | comment | added | BiscuitBaker | "HPMOR" is short for "Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality", for those as confused as I was by this discussion. | |
| Oct 17, 2016 at 0:00 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | > *nobody seems to mind that he's keeping the benefits to himself * I am not sure if it's true or false. this guy got famous with a much lesser thing. For a world where afterlife is provably real it's inhabitants suspiciously behave like it's not actually real (limited to ghosts and portraits) and make death to be a big deal. Again, if we assume consistency and extrapolate too much we get results like Alisa being from postapocalyptic future. More like meta-context(this is a book for children) | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 22:53 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | Exactly - context is key. In-universe, everybody knows that Flamel has the Stone, and nobody seems to mind that he's keeping the benefits to himself. That may seem unrealistic at first, but not when you remember that this is a world in which the afterlife is real, Elizier's critique of that notwithstanding. (And even if you reject that, the characters all believe it, which is all that really matters. There are of course other more complicated issues that in the real world would need to be addressed, but they're not really relevant in this context.) | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 22:43 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | (2/2) presents himself as "forces of good" and his enemies as "evil". However, it assumes that there's a living, coherent world we are talking about. One could argue that many things I've mentioned are the way they are due to divine intervention - because they are plot devices - rather than due to acts of characters in charge, and series itself is, well, books for kids so villains are actually ugly and evil and consistency - which we need to reason - is not guaranteed. That kinda defeats any question not answered by narrator though. Also check out HP&Natural20 - cunny exploits, no agenda:). | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 22:41 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | I don't think that world "ethical" is useful here because there are different ethics out there with different conclusions about the situations. Heuristics for everyday life in society are only good for everyday life in society, but we have quite different situation here, with much more at a stake. Practically speaking, hypothetical Flamelden would be tortured for hypothetical launch codes six ways from Sunday, rights or not. Dumbledore would get away with producing stones if he wanted to. He've chosen not to. As for cynicism - that's reaction I'd prefer people to express when authority (1/2) | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 21:29 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | As for HPMOR; sorry; no offense intended. It just seemed more likely that you'd read it than that you'd come up with such a cynical viewpoint on your own. It wasn't meant as a criticism. I liked HPMOR. | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 21:23 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | Looks like I was misremembering, Dumbledore may indeed have been looking after the Stone for some time. If I had to guess I'd imagine it happened during the First Wizarding War, but you're right that it could have been even earlier. It still wasn't his to use, though - all he could ethically have done, even had he thought it a good idea, was to ask, and the same applies to the Ministry had they been entrusted with it's care instead. Short of a communist revolution, so to speak, I can't see them being "held responsible" for what they would doubtless spin as merely respecting Flamel's rights. | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 14:56 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | > HPMOR That's like seeng a person say "I've seen a guy who intends to get X by doing Y, oh boy he's wrong! But I've told him nothing, let him learn on his mistakes now" and replying with "Startrek much?". Ideas I've expressed are either not unique to HPMOR or not featured there or both. I don't rely on any HPMOR assumptions like that whole dementor blunder (ok, G's minion's sacrifices may or may not be non-canon though). Dumbledore's plans to rule wizards and muggles - for the greater good, of course - are canon AFAIR and so is his fascination with death. | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 14:16 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | > Dumbledore did not "get his hands on" Well, he was in posession of the Stone - because of being stronger - and had enough influence on Stone's creator to destroy the stone. De-facto whatever he wanted with stone to happen would happen. Concepts like "copyright" and "private property" are quite malleable when you are dealing with government's - or world's strongest wizard's - strategic interests. It just happens that providing people with longevity and immortality is kinda against Dumbledore's agenda, and it also just happens that mass-production does not occur and destruction does occur. | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 13:54 | comment | added | Daerdemandt | @HarryJohnston > he had it for less than a year Well, I haven't found info on when it was entrusted to Dumbledore (how much time it was in Gringotts or maybe somewhere else bofore that too), but I vaguely remember info on Flamel being taken from history book so he was around the whole time the Dumbledore was. Stone's transfer to Hogwarts is connected with Quirrels return so it happened in 1st book. Stone's transfer to Dumbledore could happen anytime between, say, Grindewald's fall and first book. Hence "unspecified number of years". Is there more specific info? | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 1:25 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | (Actually, that's true even in HPMOR, the only difference being that the nominal owner turned out to have no legitimate claim to it. Dumbledore didn't know that.) | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 1:24 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | For the record, in the original canon, Dumbledore did not "get his hands" on the Philosopher's stone. He was holding it for the owner; it wasn't his to make use of. Also he had it for less than a year, it was moved to Hogwarts shortly before the start of Harry's first term. | |
| Oct 16, 2016 at 1:22 | comment | added | Harry Johnston | Sounds like someone's been reading HPMOR. :-) | |
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| Oct 15, 2016 at 15:46 | history | answered | Daerdemandt | CC BY-SA 3.0 |