Timeline for Do the Leaves of Lórien brooches have any special significance or attributes?
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| May 20, 2022 at 16:50 | history | edited | DavidW | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Add accent on Lórien
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| Nov 10, 2016 at 22:53 | comment | added | Glen_b | @Saph I always took precisely that quote (not idly do the leaves of Lorien fall) to indicate that the brooches were somewhat magical, if only by very weak enchantments, since it implied that they would only come off if someone deliberately meant them to and would never accidentally come loose (the way an ordinary brooch occasionally might, in the rough-and-tumble of wandering the wilderness where you'd perhaps be snagging a cloak several times a day). This seemed of a one with the rope (which would not loosen or unknot accidentally). | |
| Nov 10, 2016 at 21:40 | comment | added | MauganRa | @Werrf you've proven me wrong. Of course they were made by the Noldor in Eldamar. | |
| Nov 10, 2016 at 17:51 | comment | added | Werrf | @MauganRa I don't disagree with you about the blurred boundary between science and magic, but the Palantiri came from the undying lands, and they certainly weren't made by men - Gandalf said "The palantiri came from beyond Westernesse, from Eldamar. The Noldor made them. Fëanor himself, maybe, wrought them". But he does refer to the abilities of both Saruman and Sauron as their "art" - not power or magic. | |
| Nov 10, 2016 at 17:23 | comment | added | MauganRa | @Werrf the Numerorian artifacts are an excellent example for the way the boundary between science and magic is very blurry in LotR. Mind you, even the Palantiri were made by men. | |
| Nov 10, 2016 at 17:16 | comment | added | Werrf | @Samthere But in a world that contains forces and powers we today aren't familiar with, where is the dividing line between magic in the craft and an extremely high level of craftsmanship? Wouldn't a high level of craftsmanship imply some level of 'magic'? Tolkien's works rarely speak of magic directly, rather they refer to power, craft, or virtue. The walls of Minas Tirith and Orthanc behave in ways technology can't reproduce, but they're still called "the craft of men". | |
| Nov 10, 2016 at 10:48 | comment | added | Samthere | It's hard to say whether this speaks to magic in the craft, or just an extremely high level of craftsmanship to the point where the object is never expected to fail. | |
| Nov 9, 2016 at 22:29 | comment | added | ScottS | I agree with @CreationEdge here; I take Aragorn's statement to actually imply there is some small magic to them, namely, that they will not fall off except by intention. | |
| Nov 9, 2016 at 22:00 | comment | added | user31178 | I always felt that this meant they would not come loose except by intention or force. It always seemed like magic, to me, every time I heard the line. | |
| Nov 9, 2016 at 14:23 | history | answered | Saphirel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |