Timeline for Why did Captain Needa apologize to Darth Vader?
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| Feb 5, 2017 at 15:29 | comment | added | Petersaber | I don't understand the point about ordering to raise shields. What does that have to do with anything? How did raising shields impede anything? | |
| Dec 18, 2016 at 10:11 | comment | added | André Paramés | @Werrf Needa was where the buck stopped, to cite Truman. A fault by his underlings is still his fault. | |
| Dec 16, 2016 at 13:05 | comment | added | Luaan | @Mike.C.Ford Well, we only see what happened to Needa and Ozzel. We don't see what happened to their crew, families... Vader accepted Needa's apology and blame, and punished him for his faults. Accepting an apology has nothing to do with mercy or forgiveness, the two are very different; and even mercy and forgiveness doesn't mean you won't be punished - I can forgive you for killing a man (since I understand your reasons, for example), but still execute you as per law. Most people who do bad things don't think of themselves as bad people - we may understand, accept, forgive; and still punish. | |
| Dec 15, 2016 at 13:41 | comment | added | errantlinguist | It's also quite possible that Vader was simply so terrifying and his abusive control over people was so complete that Needa subjected himself willingly to the punishment --- cf. the more modern and more explicit dynamic between Ramsay Snow/Bolton and Theon Greyjoy in A Song of Ice and Fire, namely how Ramsay "transforms" Theon into Reek. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 21:08 | comment | added | Werrf | @Bob Right, so how is that "genuinely his fault"? Attack run or not, the sensor techs still should have been doing their jobs and tracking the ship whatever it did. If it HAD been an attack run...well, we know what happens to Star Destroyers that get rammed when they don't have their bridge deflectors up, don't we? | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 21:00 | comment | added | Bob | @Werrf The crew thought the Falcon was going to attack, and when the maneuver turned out to be different than expected they were unable to immediately react. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 20:58 | comment | added | Werrf | How did his raising the shields contribute to the Falcon's escape? Surely the blame lies with the sensor techs who failed to track the ship after it's 'attack run'. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 18:32 | vote | accept | Bob | ||
| Dec 14, 2016 at 18:18 | comment | added | Bob | @KRyan Also true. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:55 | comment | added | KRyan | @Bob Ultimately, accpeting an apology means I believe you are sincere in your regrets, not necessarily that you’re also going to forgive whatever was apologized for. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:20 | comment | added | Bob | Okay, good point. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:13 | comment | added | Mike.C.Ford | @Bob I always saw it simply as the film showing that Vader had no mercy. With the two of them attempting opposite approaches at coping with their failures, and Vader killing them both, it didn't matter what they did, simply the fact that they failed was enough to receive a death sentence. As for the accepting the apology after killing him, perhaps Vader respected Needa more by being up front with admitting it, so whilst his death was the punishment for his failure, Vader decides to forgive him post posthumously, but at that point it doesn't really matter to Needa. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:07 | comment | added | Bob | Now about accepting the apology, Vader says that after he finishes choking Needa. I've always seen that line as primarily sarcasm. Why would Vader accept an apology from a subordinate who failed? | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:05 | history | edited | Mike.C.Ford | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:05 | comment | added | Bob | +1 Good point about Needa taking a long shot that Vader might choose to be merciful for some uncharacteristic reason. | |
| Dec 14, 2016 at 17:00 | history | answered | Mike.C.Ford | CC BY-SA 3.0 |