Timeline for Were the spiders in Mirkwood and also the Eagles rational beings?
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| Sep 29, 2022 at 18:56 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Sep 29, 2022 at 18:30 | answer | added | Razar Campbell | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jun 3, 2022 at 15:17 | comment | added | Omegacron | @DavidSiegel - you're right, I completely forgot about the eagle talking to Gandalf. Haven't read The Hobbit in over 30 years, though. Either way... I stand corrected. | |
| Jun 2, 2022 at 20:43 | comment | added | David Siegel | @Omegacron "I don't recall any mention of one speaking." The Eagles who rescued Bilbo, Thorin, and co from the goblins had quite a dialog with them. Gandalf and the Eagle who rescued him, first from Saruman and later after the fight with the Balrog discussed where Gandalf was to be taken,on each occasion. On the second the Eagle says that he was sent by the lady Galadril, so he seems to have spoken with her. | |
| May 30, 2017 at 8:04 | comment | added | can-ned_food | Yes, good point, @cometaryorbit. I've decided to revise somewhat my claim and will later post it in form of a paired Q 'n' A. | |
| May 30, 2017 at 7:28 | answer | added | cometaryorbit | timeline score: 2 | |
| May 30, 2017 at 7:17 | comment | added | cometaryorbit | @can-ned_food: I don't think that list is quite exhaustive. There seem to be three types of 'rational' beings - the Children of Iluvatar, both original (Elves and Men, including Hobbits) and adopted (Dwarves); the Ainur (Valar, Maiar, and maybe others like Ungoliant); 'spirits from afar' inhabiting physical bodies (the Ents and Great Eagles are definitely in this category, the Werewolves seem to be). | |
| May 30, 2017 at 7:15 | comment | added | cometaryorbit | There is a discussion of this in History of Middle Earth vol X: Morgoth's Ring. However, it's not terribly conclusive, and some of it may have been overturned by later material (the 'Ents and Eagles' stuff that became the Silm chapter 'Of Aule and Yavanna'). | |
| May 30, 2017 at 6:39 | vote | accept | Hans Olo | ||
| S May 29, 2017 at 20:50 | history | suggested | Narusan | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Included a link to the definition of rational provided in another SFF answer
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| May 29, 2017 at 20:35 | answer | added | Valorum | timeline score: 11 | |
| May 29, 2017 at 20:34 | comment | added | Omegacron | I have no evidence, hence comment instead of answer, but I'm pretty sure the eagles were just that - giant eagles. They were intelligent, but so is a good horse. I don't recall any mention of one speaking. The giant mirkwood spiders, on the other hand, were descended from Ungoliant, who was possibly a Maiar. | |
| May 29, 2017 at 20:32 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| May 29, 2017 at 20:21 | history | edited | Hans Olo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
I clarified the question following some comments
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| May 29, 2017 at 20:20 | comment | added | Hans Olo | Hmm, I think then I will edit the question to make it more clear. | |
| May 29, 2017 at 20:13 | comment | added | Hans Olo | I mean it exactly the way described in the post linked by Narusan. In other words, were these two species rational? | |
| May 29, 2017 at 20:04 | comment | added | Narusan | @user14111 Tolkien has a very specific understanding of sentience and intelligence. See this post. Sentient is the correct wording in this context. | |
| May 29, 2017 at 19:51 | history | edited | Adamant | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| May 29, 2017 at 19:43 | history | edited | Gallifreyan |
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| May 29, 2017 at 19:34 | history | asked | Hans Olo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |