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| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:49 | comment | added | T.J.L. | @FinnO'leary Nope. In the real world, medical specialists can get into the military without going through a lot of the same "military" training as other officers. They're granted their commission based on their medical training. If they want to exercise authority beyond that (and it comes with considerable authority built-in), they need to bring themselves up to the same level in the same skills as officers who entered via a the more "traditional" path. Translating this to Trek means that Data, Geordi, and others already have the bridge officer certification. Troi, as a psychologist did not. | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 5:39 | comment | added | jpmc26 | @FinnO'leary I'm having trouble confirming it explicitly in the transcript, but it was always my understanding that being a Bridge Officer was one requirement of being promoted to Commander, presumably the last one that she hadn't fulfilled. Note that the text does refer to the two separately. ("I've been thinking about taking the Bridge Officer's test and becoming a full Commander.") | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 2:43 | comment | added | Aster | @T.J.L. So Troi took both the Bridge Officer's Test and another test in "Thine Own Self"? | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 3:25 | comment | added | T.J.L. | Demonstrably false, @FinnO'leary - Data was a Lieutenant Commander and the second officer, clearly a line officer. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 1:45 | comment | added | Aster | ""In Star Trek, most of the bridge officers are line officers, while most others officers are not2. Completing the Bridge Officer's Test is what makes somebody Star Trek's equivalent of a "line officer"."" IIRC that was the difference between the "Lieutenant Commander" rank and "Commander". | |
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| Oct 12, 2017 at 14:01 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @Darkwing: regarding Picard in First Contact, see scifi.stackexchange.com/q/108404/1167 | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 12:18 | history | edited | T.J.L. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2017 at 23:15 | comment | added | jpmc26 | McCoy was performing some kind of inspection, according to some continuities. The original script at minimum allows for that. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 20:08 | history | edited | T.J.L. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2017 at 20:02 | comment | added | Baard Kopperud | Should perhaps add to Real Life (and Star Trek) that sometimes an Admiral/Flag-Officer may be onboard as just a passenger (not flying his flag) - eg. hitching a ride to his posting, observing a wargame &c. For an Admiral to exercise authority, it's not enough to be of higher rank, he must also be in the ship's captains chain of command. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 17:31 | comment | added | T.J.L. | @Darkwing There's not enough detail in First Contact to be sure. That battle takes place at Earth; the place should be swarming with admirals. That said, the fame combined with the plot armor is likely the story. Anything related to the Enterprise being a "flagship" is falling back on the core misunderstanding. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 17:14 | comment | added | Frank Hopkins | @T.J.L. With regard to "getting it right", in First Contact the fleet is first commanded by an Admiral, but once the Enterprise arrives the flag ship is already destroyed so Picard assumes command over the fleet. As there was no "haggling" over who is in command needed, I assumed at the time that the Captain of the flag ship has an (implicitly) higher rank than other captains and thus is basically also an emergency flag officer. (But it could of course also be that Picard is simply famous enough for no one to object - or he simply has enough plot amour^^). | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 14:29 | history | edited | T.J.L. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2017 at 14:28 | comment | added | NKCampbell | re: Star Trek, it hasn't been on screen that an admiral serves on a ship w/ a captain in command, but in the Titan novels, this does happen. Riker is promoted to Admiral, makes Titan his flagship and stays onboard, yet Captain Vale retains overall command of the ship | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 13:58 | history | edited | T.J.L. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2017 at 13:38 | history | answered | T.J.L. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |