Timeline for Has a Star Wars character ever been told the odds and not gone on to beat them?
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| Jun 16, 2020 at 9:31 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 19, 2018 at 21:55 | comment | added | TimSparrow | Updated the answer after watching "The Last Jedi" | |
| Mar 19, 2018 at 15:16 | history | edited | TimSparrow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 12, 2018 at 16:51 | comment | added | Fabian Röling | "They did not live to tell the story. Or they were smart enough not to try, considering the odds." That's a good description of r/whatcouldgowrong. | |
| Jan 12, 2018 at 13:49 | comment | added | The Dark Lord | Yes, but my point is that the odds were still very low for the Rebels, meaning that they were very high for Tarkin. So he didn't die according to the odds but against them. "Great shot, kid. That was one in a million" etc. | |
| Jan 12, 2018 at 13:41 | comment | added | TimSparrow | @TheDarkLord the concerned officer said that if the Rebels succeeded, the destruction of the base is imminent. He clearly understood the danger. | |
| Jan 12, 2018 at 11:23 | comment | added | The Dark Lord | @DaaaahWhoosh I don't think the Tarkin example fits. The odds in question refer to the Rebels and their chances of destroying the Death Star, not any odds in relation to Tarkin. The odds of Tarkin surviving a low level attack by a couple of rogue ships was, as far as Tarkin was concerned, extremely high. This isn't an example of someone being told how unlikely something is and proving the statistics wrong. It's an example of someone being told that there is "a danger", disbelieving the odds and then falling victim to an incredibly unlikely event. The opposite of what was asked. | |
| Jan 12, 2018 at 11:06 | history | edited | TimSparrow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Moved Tarkin case to the top as the most relevant to the question
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| Jan 11, 2018 at 17:53 | comment | added | DaaaahWhoosh | I think your last example is the only part of this answer you need. A character on-screen is told that there is a chance of failure, they decide to take that chance, and they fail. Everything else is just a restatement of the question. | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 13:08 | comment | added | TimSparrow | @xDaizu may be not very heroic (I agree here), but at least not stupid. If a hero dies in bed, old and toothless (c), it does not make them less a hero, | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 12:39 | history | edited | Null♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 11, 2018 at 12:24 | comment | added | xDaizu | @TimSparrow Also, I would argue that, for a previously well-known fugitive jedi master, dying of old age is both heroic and pretty bad-ass... | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 11:30 | comment | added | TimSparrow | @T.Sar Han's death IS heroic - he was trying to redeem his son, as Luke redeemed his father. Yoda just died of old age - it is natural and matches the character: an old wise man dies of old age, to become one with the force. Again, whether to consider a certain death is heroic is subjective matter. | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 11:13 | comment | added | T. Sar | @TimSparrow Fair enough. Your comment didn't made clear that you were referring to only the star wars universe, but even so it is a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't call Yoda's death heroic, for example. Nor was Han's death on FA. | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 11:03 | history | edited | TimSparrow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 11, 2018 at 11:01 | history | edited | TheLethalCarrot♦ | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 11, 2018 at 10:57 | history | edited | TimSparrow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 11, 2018 at 10:43 | comment | added | TimSparrow | @T.Sar again, the question is about Star Wars universe, not any other, and not real life. | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 10:28 | comment | added | T. Sar | @TimSparrow G.R.R Martin disagrees with you... | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 9:01 | comment | added | TimSparrow | @ShawnV.Wilson It just doesn’t happen this way. Heroes don’t die, but if they do, they die heroic death, not stupid. I cannot find such example in the Star Wars movies. If we go generalizing, it makes the question too broad. | |
| Jan 11, 2018 at 4:36 | comment | added | Shawn V. Wilson | Downvoted becase I believe the OP referred is referring to the trope: of a main character, on-screen, in any work (not just Star Wars), being told the odds and failing. In other words, "the odds" are there mostly to ramp up dramatic tension -- but when does the "logical" result happen? | |
| Jan 10, 2018 at 16:22 | history | answered | TimSparrow | CC BY-SA 3.0 |