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| Dec 10, 2019 at 16:35 | comment | added | 520 | @syntonicC There are only 6 wizarding schools around in the HP universe, and judging from GoF, the part of the world you live in has a significant part in what school you are eligible for. While homeschooling is a thing in-universe, it is considered so rare that we never actually see anyone schooled in this manner despite encountering a bunch of other in-universe rarities, and is literally only ever brought up once (7th book). Voldemort mainly concerned himself with, and operated in, the UK, so it's a natural assumption that's the place he calls home, hence he went to Hogwarts. | |
| May 9, 2018 at 19:34 | comment | added | Pryftan | @AngeloFuchs That might be the majority; or it might be you. As for me it's not the case. That doesn't mean I don't learn more in addition but I'm seldom wrong about something I'm passionate about. Of course I'm also not one to make assumptions and I know fully what I don't know and what I do know; this is something that many have a problem with though. Nevertheless I don't think here it was any assumption on Hagrid's part. He had reasons to know. I'm sure there might be some bias but remember this: he trusted Severus because Dumbledore did and he knew Severus was Slytherin didn't he? | |
| May 3, 2018 at 15:57 | comment | added | Angelo Fuchs | People just think stuff is true that they actually assumed. All the time. Whenever I actually research some real-life-person that I'm interested in, I find out that the vast quantities of whan "is known" about that person is just wrong. It gets worse the longer ago it is (mostly right about Ghandi, usually bogus about Gallilei, nearly all nonsense about Columbus) so assuming one element as fact about a figure that's ten years ago is unsurprising. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 14:50 | comment | added | TGar | Hagrid also knew Tom Riddle when he studied at Hogwarts. He is clearly more informed than most. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 12:52 | comment | added | syntonicC | Why would everyone assume he was at Hogwarts at all when there are other wizarding schools? Hagrid is an exception since he could have learned this from Dumbledore. It's one thing to see Voldemort proudly declare he is the heir of Slytherin but quite a separate issue to assume he was ever at Hogwarts at all before that information was more widely publicised. So I don't get why "more-or-less everyone would assume this. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 2:11 | comment | added | Pryftan | @PeterCordes Yep and fair enough. And the site is whining about extended discussions so I'll stop now. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 2:07 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | @Pryftan: yeah, so was I until I stepped back and remembered that this question was actually asking about Ron's knowledge, not the reader's knowledge. I agree with your conclusion that given what we find out later, there's good reason to guess that Hagrid might (at that point) have had better actual knowledge than most people. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 2:02 | comment | added | Pryftan | @PeterCordes True. I was more so referring to Hagrid directly and not considering Ron. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 1:43 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | @Pryftan: Interesting point. But at that point Ron didn't know all those facts about Hagrid's backstory. Of course at that age Ron (and Harry) would just take Hagrid at his word if either didn't already know that Voldemort was Slytherin. So people like Hagrid using phrasing like this is actually a very good explanation for 10-year-olds treating it as a known fact, whether it is or not. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 1:35 | comment | added | Pryftan | @PeterCordes But the thing is his relationship with Dumbledore. Yes he was biased against Slytherin but I suspect that in this case he had a reason to say Voldemort was Slytherin; that doesn't mean his statement cited here is true but then again he might be rather sore about being expelled by Riddle who he would have known to be Slytherin (and of course Dumbledore suspected Riddle but knew he couldn't do much in the matter with Dippet or anyone else for that matter). | |
| May 1, 2018 at 1:32 | comment | added | Pryftan | Call it semantics if you like but it's in this case possibly presumption rather than assumption. Of course it depends on why and what reasons they felt it; it is certain that Slytherin had an unfair (yes unfair) reputation and so if it was based on that bias then it could be less of a presumption after all. (Funny thing occurred to me just now though: Hagrid trusted Severus and Severus was Slytherin - he was also at Hogwarts in Severus's day so would he have known that he was Slytherin and if so is there more to it than just Slytherin?). What's certain is Hagrid's statement here is false. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 1:21 | comment | added | Peter Cordes | @Bellatrix: Hagrid might not be the most careful scholar. I don't think his definitive statement is very strong evidence that it's known fact rather than widely believed. (Not disputing the fact, just the use of Hagrid's phrasing as evidence. Your answer that this info was Voldy's own statements is the most likely, IMO.) | |
| May 1, 2018 at 0:19 | comment | added | Obsidia | Hagrid seems fairly certain that the Dark Lord was actually a Slytherin - in fact he’s the first one that Hagrid cites as an evil Slytherin. It seems unlikely that he’d choose someone who everyone just guessed was in Slytherin (if there wasn’t some sort of evidence) as his first example of a bad Slytherin. In addition, he stated it pretty definitively - “You-Know-Who was one” rather than “everyone says You-Know-Who was one”. | |
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