Timeline for How can Ron know that Voldemort was in Slytherin if nobody knows his real identity?
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| May 14, 2018 at 19:40 | comment | added | Pryftan | @scott Exactly. But he didn't need to pretend that nobody listened to him or paid any attention to him to manipulate someone. All he'd need to do is listen, be sympathetic (even if false) and be cordial. That's what I was trying to say, if you follow me now. | |
| May 14, 2018 at 14:38 | comment | added | scott | @Pryftan You make a fair point, but what I was actually suggesting was that Diary-Tom would have pretended to be sympathetic to get Ginny (or anyone) to pour out their soul in order to gain control -- which is exactly what he did do, as you point out. | |
| May 12, 2018 at 3:35 | comment | added | Pryftan | @scott Something else just popped into my head. You suggested that Tom Riddle had a hard time with getting people to listen to him, right? Well this is the memory of Riddle talking to Harry in the Chamber: 'If I say it myself, Harry, I’ve always been able to charm the people I needed. So Ginny poured out her soul to me, and her soul happened to be exactly what I wanted. . . . [...]' And this is only one example. Ginny however wasn't really concerned about anyone except Harry but once she listened to Hermione and started being with others things improved (as it would). | |
| May 3, 2018 at 23:56 | comment | added | Pryftan | @Bellatrix Yes. And if it wasn't for perfect Percy perhaps she would have been able to reveal more information but embarrassed with the fact she caught him snogging Penelope (iirc that was her name) and thinking she was going to talk about that... Well things would have quite possibly gone very differently. Then again the Basilisk wouldn't have been slain and this would have changed the plot drastically too. In the end they didn't have any idea it was Voldemort and they were shocked to find out that it was actually Voldemort! Thanks for the confirmation Miss Bella! | |
| May 3, 2018 at 23:53 | comment | added | Pryftan | @Scott As Miss Bella says (and she should know shouldn't she?) Dumbledore does indeed say Tom Riddle; and later Harry brings up the diary to show how Voldemort could have been manipulating Ginny despite hiding in Albania. And do you really believe Tom had a hard time getting people to pay attention to him? Quite the opposite! It wasn't just fear that he had so many people follow him; it wasn't just his ideals either. It was his very character - this is something that all psychopaths are capable of when it comes down to it. | |
| May 2, 2018 at 23:57 | comment | added | Obsidia | @Pryftan You’re definitely right - neither of the Weasley children who saw the diary thought anything suspicious of the name “Riddle”. Ron only remembered it from a trophy and Ginny was happily writing to him while knowing he was Tom Riddle, until she started realizing she was blacking out and doing things she didn’t intend to. It’s unlikely either of them would have had the reactions they did if they were aware that the Dark Lord was once Tom Riddle. | |
| May 2, 2018 at 23:51 | comment | added | Obsidia | @scott Yes, T.M. Riddle was engraved on the front of the diary. “Hang on,’ said Ron, who had approached cautiously and was looking over Harry’s shoulder. ‘I know that name … T. M. Riddle got an award for special services to the school fifty years ago.” - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 13 (The Very Secret Diary) Ron connected it with a trophy, not the Dark Lord. In addition, Tom introduced himself to Harry as Tom Riddle. ‘Hello, Harry Potter. My name is Tom Riddle. How did you come by my diary?” - Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 13 (The Very Secret Diary) | |
| May 2, 2018 at 15:25 | comment | added | scott | @Pryftan Well done. You have me convinced...except there are two small connections that need to be made. First, in the scene you quote, Mr. Weasley is stunned that Voldemort had been active in the current kerfluffle. But is the name "Tom Riddle" mentioned? Or does Dumbledore just jump to using the name of Voldemort? Second, did the diary have the name Tom Riddle engraved on the outside? I don't expect it would have told Ginny Tom Riddle's name; it simply would have said, "Hello, Ginny, my name is Tom and I have a hard time getting people to pay attention to me, too." | |
| May 1, 2018 at 22:13 | comment | added | Pryftan | Which incidentally allows me to amend my original statement: your assumption is wrong; it's no longer a belief. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 22:12 | comment | added | Pryftan | Well since you asked: He had so far avoided mentioning Riddle’s diary — or Ginny. She was standing with her head against Mrs. Weasley’s shoulder, and tears were still coursing silently down her cheeks.[...] Then: 'What interests me most,' said Dumbledore gently, 'is how Lord Voldemort managed to enchant Ginny, when my sources tell me he is currently in hiding in the forests of Albania.' Finally: 'W-what’s that? said Mr. Weasley in a stunned voice. 'You- Know-Who? En-enchant Ginny? But Ginny’s not . . . Ginny hasn’t been . . . has she?' | |
| May 1, 2018 at 20:26 | comment | added | Ángel | Absolutely not. Ginny doesn't know, or she wouldn't have trusted that magic diary. Neither does Ron, when they find the diary he remembers the name... only because he had to clean his trophy many times due to an 'accident'. It is funny in retrospect how You-Know-Who's trophy was the one that suffered this fate, though. There's no reason to think that their brothers knew his identity, and probably not even their parents knew it. | |
| May 1, 2018 at 15:16 | comment | added | scott | @Pryftan Mr. and Mrs. Weasley were alarmed and horrified to learn their daughter was in mortal peril. I don't think their alarm went as far as learning the secret identity of the perpetrator. In either case, a quote to back up our assertions would be nice... | |
| May 1, 2018 at 1:39 | comment | added | Pryftan | The assumption is I believe wrong though. Dumbledore wouldn't have had a reason to tell them and I believe they were alarmed to find out that Ginny was possessed by Voldemort that is Tom Riddle! | |
| Apr 30, 2018 at 22:25 | history | answered | scott | CC BY-SA 3.0 |