Timeline for What's the deal with Outsiders in The Dresden Files?
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| Jun 24, 2020 at 13:31 | comment | added | Paul | So, I think all this comes down to the fact that your core argument (independent of evidence) is that last sentence... for free will to count, balance must be redressed. I don't disagree, but I do think that in the context of the series, we have only seen Uriel take direct action when that free will is subverted by the Down Below. He does seem to partner with Mab to stop Outsiders, but it's more indirect. This implies (though, again, not direct evidence) that his "charter" in this fictional universe is a more limited scope than real-world JudeoChristian teachings would say. | |
| Jun 18, 2020 at 8:50 | comment | added | AcePL | Indirectly there is: Lea confirms in Ghost Story that se can't take without giving. That is why EEVERY FAE ALWAYS trades. And they HAVE to stick to the letter of that trade. Also Mab confirms Fae do not operate on free will (IIRC Cold Days). third part is not really inability to subvert free will (because we know they CAN), but for tree will to remain free, imbalance always must be redress. | |
| Jun 17, 2020 at 23:06 | comment | added | Paul | The rules of the Fae include the inability to lie directly, and the inability to kill mortals who aren't beholden to the Courts in some fashion. But there's never a mention about them not being able to subvert free will. | |
| Jun 17, 2020 at 23:05 | comment | added | Paul | I don't think we have enough information to confirm or deny your suggestion that everyone barring Mortals and Outsiders are forbidden from violating free will. Each entity "type" that we have encountered actually has slightly different rules of engagement. The only ones we know of that explicitly talk about balancing free will are the angels and demons (i.e. agents of God current and former). The Fae can trick and cajole (and do so all the time) and can even get folks to act in ways based on lies w/o repercussion. | |
| Jun 17, 2020 at 18:45 | comment | added | AcePL | This is excellent point. But isn't ANYONE not mortal but not Outsider limited by one thing: they're forbidden from violating free will. Remember scene with Maeve and the fiddler in Summer Knight? She offed him, but only because he was careless with his wish. He was human basically cheated out of his life, but letter of the law stated his free will wasn't violated. And Uriel is tasked with protecting free will. Nowhere it says "only for those believing God of Bible"... | |
| Apr 5, 2019 at 22:52 | comment | added | Paul | Just noticed I never responded to this comment. You’re confusing the rules Uriel is bound to with the laws of magic. The laws of magic are a mortal construct, Uriel is bound by his heavenly mantle, which isn’t at all the same thing. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 12:53 | comment | added | AcePL | Taking it all into account I'm applying same restrictions that Fallen have imposed on them to Outsiders as logical extension. Especially since, apparently, laws on summoning demons and opening Outer Gates are the same law. hence my question. | |
| Feb 11, 2019 at 12:48 | comment | added | AcePL | Several points, which are in my edited question, too - sorry, forgot to drop a comment here I did that. Anyway: Uriel must act to redress the imbalance. Free will must be protected.Same deal would apply if the Fallen actually killed Harry outright (which is forbidden for them).Fallen CAN'T exert their will directly, because above (that is archangel steps in). Remember scene from Ghost Story when Harry asks him to help Molly? Also, Harry <SPOILER ALERT!> asked Uriel why not send him back, and the answer was?? Thus the test is both simple and complicated, but at least criteria are clear. | |
| Feb 4, 2019 at 17:42 | history | answered | Paul | CC BY-SA 4.0 |