Timeline for Did Sauron have the military power to control all Middle-earth?
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| Jan 4, 2023 at 0:43 | history | edited | Mithoron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 19, 2022 at 10:58 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @AKA Sauron's ultimate aim is control, not destruction. He'd much rather that everyone be ruled by him willingly than there be nobody left to work on his great plans. That's why he made the Ring, to force everyone to obey him by will rather than by might. | |
| Nov 5, 2020 at 0:27 | history | edited | Mithoron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 11, 2020 at 9:13 | comment | added | einpoklum | @AKA: He owns a huge factory, Mordor Industries Inc., with a really tall excess-gas-torch at Barad-Dur. They say the soot from the coal covers everything there - it's like everything is black. | |
| Feb 11, 2020 at 9:09 | comment | added | AKA | @einpoklum Good points in (3) - though the question was about military might rather than whether he could corrupt the Elves. Galadriel said that they would never bow to him (and, presumably, capitalist liberal totalitarianism (or something) - though she might be wrong! (Can't imagine anyone describing Sauron as bourgeois, even if he did own the means of production :)) | |
| Feb 10, 2020 at 10:07 | comment | added | einpoklum | @AKA: 1. Killing the Elves is just an idea. 2. Dominating ME doesn't necessarily include the Elves. 3. If you look at my own answer there - the Elves are a sort of idealized aspect of the nobility in feudal society, to which men can only aspire. So, if you embody bourgeois industrialism like Mairon - you either "corrupt" the feudals to go into industry and commerce, or get rid of them via wars and revolutions. | |
| Feb 10, 2020 at 8:55 | comment | added | AKA | @einpoklum Other answers here posit that Sauron wanted to dominate the inhabitants of ME - killing everyone wouldn't be a victory:scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/191362/… | |
| Feb 9, 2020 at 16:59 | comment | added | einpoklum | "I don't see why they wouldn't make guerilla warfare for hundreds of years." <- Guerilla warfare is conducted by those who can blend into the local, subjugated, population. That's not the case for Elves. Plus, Mairon could theoretically have just killed them. | |
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| Feb 7, 2020 at 8:53 | comment | added | AKA | @Shamshiel You're right - it's very tenuous (and only comment worthy) but I'd have expected de jure surrender of everything and enslavement as the "lenient" proposal. "Slavery or death" ought to be the offer from someone with unlimited forces and no reason to hold back. I know the whole thing was just a taunt anyway, but still... | |
| S Feb 7, 2020 at 3:50 | history | suggested | Rob | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 7, 2020 at 1:27 | comment | added | Shamshiel | @AKA: Lenient? He effectively demanded the surrender of everything the people present had the power to give! Complete de jure cession of all lands east of the river, complete de facto surrender of the lands of Gondor and Rohan west of the river, with the Mouth of Sauron installed in Isenguard as their de facto tyrant. | |
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| Feb 7, 2020 at 0:12 | comment | added | Mithoron | @AKA I think this offer was more of a ploy and Gandalf disbelieved it. My point is that perhaps he could theoretically "conquer" it, but it would be very difficult, and even then much resistance would persist for a long time. | |
| Feb 6, 2020 at 23:34 | comment | added | AKA | @Mithoron I noticed that the terms offered by the Mouth of Sauron (vassalage from west of the River to the Misty Mountains) are surprisingly lenient for the representative of an unstoppable force. That would support your contention that even in the Third Age he would have been unable to conquer and hold everything. | |
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| Feb 6, 2020 at 18:36 | history | edited | Mithoron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 6, 2020 at 18:35 | comment | added | Mithoron | Well, I just added that, didn't I? He would do that to take the One Ring, but otherwise it would be putting himself in danger, instead of using easily replaceable mooks, while controlling situation from Barad-dur. If there was no real threat, there wouldn't be incentive to make a risky storm instead of slow weakening of enemy. | |
| Feb 6, 2020 at 18:21 | comment | added | Shamshiel | Galadriel and Elrond make clear that, if Sauron were to come in person, their realms would fall, even without the One Ring. | |
| Feb 6, 2020 at 18:16 | history | edited | Mithoron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Feb 6, 2020 at 17:59 | history | answered | Mithoron | CC BY-SA 4.0 |