Timeline for Were the evil Third Age Easterlings and the evil First Age Easterlings related or akin?
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| Jul 9, 2020 at 19:00 | comment | added | user128662 | @Ian Thompson the reference in RoTK should be related to the hatred previously carried by the Easterlings of the Third Age. Please I think you can find it. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 18:02 | comment | added | Ian Thompson | The Silmarillion ref. is out by 53: 259 in Fonstad's edition vs 312 in mine. If there is any relevant reference to first age Easterlings in RotK, I'm afraid I can't find it. | |
| Jul 9, 2020 at 17:54 | comment | added | user128662 | @Ian Thompson I do not think there are too many page differences with the version in you. There will be information about Easterlings in the range of 310-340. Please can you check and provide information? | |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 23:01 | comment | added | Ian Thompson | From 'Refugee Relocation' in the Atlas "Those who survived the battle fled back to the east from which they had come, where some became kings; and in after years the hatred they passed on was the cause of many attacks on the Men of Gondor." The author then cites the references I mentioned above. The text before the semi-colon is clearly based on Akallabeth. Where the second part comes from is unclear (to me at least). | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 22:51 | comment | added | user128662 | @Ian Thompson could you please quote or copy the related sentences? | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 21:43 | comment | added | Ian Thompson | In the Atlas of Middle-Earth, Fonstad backs up the assertion that @Edlothiad mentions with two references. One is near the start of Akallabeth, and says that the surviving 'evil Men' fled back east and became kings among their people (how far east is unclear). The other reference is to RotK, but I can't find it. The page number given is 326, but the edition (Houghton Mifflin) is clearly different to mine (Unwin). | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 21:23 | answer | added | chepner | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 20:48 | comment | added | user128662 | @Mithoron: I have read some of that. I think she referred there according to the First Age (ending): “After the victory of the Lords of the West those of the evil Men who were not destroyed fled back into the east, where many of their race were still wandering...” (Silmarillion, Akallabêth (Part: The Downfall of Númenor)”. In the second age: “many savage tribes in the East (of old corrupted by Morgoth)”. In the third age: “...Former servants and worshippers of Sauron, they were released now from his tyranny, but not from the evil and darkness that he had set in their hearts.” | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 20:29 | comment | added | Edlothiad | @Mithoron She must have some reason to think so, otherwise she wouldn’t have published it... | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:35 | comment | added | Mithoron | We have no reason to think there was much of a connection between them. @Edlothiad Does she? | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:30 | comment | added | Edlothiad | Karen Wynn Fonstad certainly thinks so | |
| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:26 | history | edited | Edlothiad | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 8, 2020 at 19:15 | history | asked | user128662 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |