Timeline for Who steered the Grey Ships into the West?
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| Dec 23, 2021 at 22:05 | comment | added | David Roberts | Well, the Teleri that got to the shores were good sailors. The Nandor? That's more of a stretch. I don't presume many of the people of Mirkwood/Lorien even saw the sea before turning up at the havens, assuming they did at all. | |
| Dec 21, 2021 at 23:22 | comment | added | Marakai | After years I finally got the complete History of Middle Earth. Diving into the last volume, the Peoples of Middle Earth, there are some writings and small essays on the topic. It’s made clear that the travel of Glorfindel and the Istari was very much a case of 2 one off events in the 2nd and 3rd Age, respectively. | |
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| Oct 26, 2021 at 18:23 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @Spencer I wasn't, but so what if I were? He was sent by the Valar - it makes perfect sense if Manwë gave him perfect winds or just told Ulmo to pull him across. Or Gandalf is simply capable of sailing a small craft by himself, if for some reason Manwë wasn't going to help his own messenger get where he was sent. And I have no idea what relevance you think Círdan giving him the ring has. | |
| Oct 26, 2021 at 16:57 | comment | added | Spencer | @OrangeDog So, you're suggesting that Gandalf's ship magically propelled itself East from Valinor? There's a passage where Círdan gives him one of the Three Rings as he comes off his ship. | |
| Oct 26, 2021 at 16:55 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @Spencer there's no evidence that any Elves sailing from the Grey Havens ever returned. There's also no evidence of any Elves sailing from Valinor after the Downfall. You need some actual evidence that the Elves were operating a shuttle service, when the simpler solution is that Elves who wanted to leave simply sailed themselves, or waited for another Elf to sail with them. | |
| Oct 26, 2021 at 15:48 | comment | added | Spencer | The trip into the West was not one-way for the mariners who sailed the ships. For example, Gandalf and the other Istari got to Middle-Earth by ship. And this was in the Third Age, after the Downfall of Númenor. | |
| Oct 26, 2021 at 13:25 | comment | added | OrangeDog | @Shamshiel given that Cirdan was, when he left, probably the oldest corporeal being ever to be in Middle Earth, I'm going to bet on him for being best at the stuff he did. Earendil was only ~30 years old when he left. | |
| Oct 26, 2021 at 11:54 | comment | added | Shamshiel | Was Cirdan the Shipwright a better sailor than Earendil the Mariner? Doubt it. :) | |
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| Oct 26, 2021 at 8:58 | history | answered | OrangeDog | CC BY-SA 4.0 |