Timeline for How true to the original vision of Frank Herbert were the sequels published by his son?
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| Jun 26 at 14:54 | comment | added | AcePL | @some_guy632 - While I enjoyed the Butlerian Jihad triology I felt it was a totally wrong interpretation - I don't get why you'd think that. Dune books aren't rich in details, but there is this in Afterword by BH: "The Butlerian Jihad, occurring ten thousand years before the events described in Dune was a war against thinking machines who at one time had cruelly enslaved humans."... It resulted in philosophical or religious movement, but in it's core was actual, honest war with the machines and their "god of machine-logic" (that's in the Appendix II). | |
| Mar 29, 2021 at 18:04 | comment | added | Davo | "And the old Reverend Mother, watching the fight from the press of the Emperor's suite, felt herself trembling. The Atreides youth had called the Harkonnen cousin. It could only mean he knew the ancestry they shared, easy to understand because he was the Kwisatz Haderach. But the words forced her to focus on the only thing that mattered to her here." - Dune. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 18:52 | comment | added | Valorum | @WillAdams - You're wrong, but that would make an interesting question to ask. | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 1:08 | comment | added | WillAdams | No, I'm not kidding. If Paul had ancestral memories, of either sex, it wouldn't have have been necessary for him to use his oracular powers to find and read a record to know that he was a Harkonnen, because Jessica was the Baron's own daughter. The Kwisatz Haderach can see both male and female sources of power, but it was only in the abominations, Alia, Ghanima, and Leto the Second that one also had ancestral memory --- until the Sisterhood developed this as a specific capability for their Reverend Mothers after the time of the God Emperor. | |
| Oct 2, 2019 at 0:38 | comment | added | Mithoron | @WillAdams You've got to be kidding me. One of crucial points of kwisatz haderach was having all memory of ancestors - male and female. | |
| Jun 29, 2019 at 15:52 | comment | added | WillAdams | Paul Atreides doesn't have access to other memories, that was only for his sister Alia (born on Dune and awakened during their mother Jessica's spice agony to become a Reverend Mother), and his children who had his genetic ancestry for prescience and whose mother was addicted to the spice and whose pregnancy occurred with sufficient spice to cause it. That others have other memory is odd to me --- it should only occur when a pregnant female has access to sufficient spice and suitable genetic markers. Presumably Ghanima shared the secret of hypnotic trance to avoid the dangers of abomination. | |
| Mar 29, 2019 at 22:41 | comment | added | some_guy632 | I agree. While I enjoyed the Butlerian Jihad triology I felt it was a totally wrong interpretation. As a kid when I read Dune I imagined the Butlerian Jihad to be a political and philosophical or religious movement. Not a literal war against robots. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 10:44 | comment | added | Bgs | It has nothing to do with personal taste. The BH+KJA story makes 180 degree turns in some places in the Duniverse and are contrary in style and content to anything FH would have ever written. Whether one likes these changes or not, is a matter of personal opinion. | |
| Nov 5, 2012 at 15:31 | history | edited | NikolaiDante | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Nov 5, 2012 at 14:56 | comment | added | Beofett | So because you don't like some characters, you're certain that the sequels ignored the 30 page outline and 1000 pages of notes completely? That seems like a pretty big leap. | |
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| Nov 5, 2012 at 14:17 | history | answered | Gazz | CC BY-SA 3.0 |