Timeline for A challenge between Sandman and Lucifer Morningstar
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| Mar 19, 2023 at 13:32 | vote | accept | Victor Ronin | ||
| Mar 19, 2023 at 1:17 | comment | added | Radhil | An alternate interpretation - hope may have been the one thing Morningstar wouldnt want to kill, both for the reasons Morpheus suggests as he leaves, and other, more personal reasons that are touched on in later stories (as @Adamant touches on it) | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 14:41 | comment | added | slebetman |
it feels like there are damn a lot of things that kill Hope - there's a lot of things that can do a lot of things but are any of the things you are thinking of something Lucifer can be? And once Lucifer becomes that thing is it strong enough to counter Dream's version of hope? Remember, this is not your hope or my hope but Dream's hope. I can't even fathom Ukraine's hope fighting Russia right now much less the hope that is manifested by Dream.
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| Mar 18, 2023 at 13:25 | history | became hot network question | |||
| Mar 18, 2023 at 10:17 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | @Valorum I think the answer to it being Lucifer is - Gwndolyn Christie is awesome, and the scene felt a lot more serious / less played for laughs than the comic. It was a better narrative choice with the actors they had to work with. | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 10:13 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | I don't think Morpheus realised it was the right choice either either - until Matthew prompted it. And I get the idea of the 'Endless' version of Lucifer not being 'evil' Being king of hell is their Punishment/burden. | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 9:57 | comment | added | Valorum | I've not seen the show, but his opponent in the original comic (and audiobook) was the demon Choronzon, not Lucifier himself | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 9:53 | answer | added | Valorum | timeline score: 17 | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 3:53 | comment | added | lucasbachmann | Wouldn't a proper Lucifer say variants of "Detective" for most of these...or possibly cocaine for the first 5? | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 2:43 | comment | added | DavidW | Lucifer didn't expect to be forced to counter "hope;" Lucifer, indeed the entire realm of Hell, is bereft of hope (that is sometimes one definition of Hell) so it didn't even enter his mind as a possible counter to "anti-life," and confronted with "hope" he was stumped. There's a very good analysis of the game on Gamerant. | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 2:37 | comment | added | Adamant | But also, Dream prompted Lucifer to say what killed hope, and they did seem to refuse to answer, so there may be something there. | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 2:35 | comment | added | Adamant | I am not sure, but Choronzon said that it was at least partly a game of confidence. If so, Morpheus's confidence that hope was stronger than anything else—which should be strong, since hope is part of his domain as Dream—might have been stronger than Lucifer's belief that anything else could defeat hope. If Lucifer knew this, then they might just give up. | |
| Mar 18, 2023 at 2:15 | history | asked | Victor Ronin | CC BY-SA 4.0 |