Timeline for Did Sauron refer to Morgoth as "Morgoth" (Sindarin for "Black Foe" or "Dark Tyrant")?
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Oct 15 at 21:16 | comment | added | chepner | Presumably, Fëanor would have given him an epithet in Quenya before he returned to Middle-Earth (where I don't believe he lived long enough to have picked up Sindarin). "Morgoth" is likely the Sindarin translation. (Out of universe, the name "Morgoth" was coined when the distinctions between Quenya and Gnomish had a different history.) | |
Oct 15 at 20:55 | comment | added | Doug Warren | Fëanor was the one who named Morgoth that, right? Did he even speak Sindarin? | |
Oct 2 at 3:43 | vote | accept | galacticninja | ||
Oct 2 at 2:58 | comment | added | Simon Crase | I wonder whether "Black Enemy" is necessarily abusive. "I was the Enemy of Sauron..." Gandalf in LOTR, Book VI, Chapter 5. So much for Enemy. Black? There was a famous feud in Florence between the Black and White Guelphs. The leaders of the Blacks were sons of an Italian nobleman. When he remarried a lady named Bianca ("White"), the sons took the name "Neri" (Blacks) in opposition. So Black, it seems, can also be self-bestowed, even by folk with little melanin. | |
Sep 30 at 18:01 | comment | added | Andres F. | Maybe a related question I asked many years ago: why do Sauron's servants sometimes call him "Sauron", which is a similarly demeaning name given to him by the Elves? And I was asking about the novel, not any adaptations ;) | |
Sep 30 at 10:26 | comment | added | m4r35n357 | "Tortured by Morgoth"? Perhaps a reference to the consequences of his humiliation at the paws of Huan? Or perhaps just more fanfic nonsense. | |
Sep 30 at 7:44 | history | edited | galacticninja | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Sep 30 at 7:18 | comment | added | Simon Crase | IMHO It does sound odd when talking to Orcs (Disclaimer: I am not in the habit of talking to orcs, and don't pretend to be au courant with the finer points of orcish etiquette, or whatever passes for it). OTOH, if I were trying to seduce Galadriel, calling The Big M "Melkor" might make the Lady suspicious. | |
Sep 30 at 6:55 | comment | added | Michael Borgwardt | Note that in episode 7 of the series, Sauron reveals that he was tortured by Morgoth and considers his own vision for the future of Middle Earth to be fundamentally different than Morgoth's. Based on that it makes perfect sense for him not to use a respectful or reverential term. | |
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Sep 29 at 8:15 | answer | added | Spencer | timeline score: 15 | |
Sep 29 at 4:12 | answer | added | Adamant | timeline score: 25 | |
Sep 29 at 4:00 | answer | added | LAK | timeline score: 13 | |
Sep 29 at 3:49 | history | asked | galacticninja | CC BY-SA 4.0 |