Timeline for Is the basic premise of humans as a power source in The Matrix reasonable?
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| Nov 18, 2022 at 19:45 | history | edited | Valorum | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 23, 2020 at 11:25 | comment | added | BigName | Really? The physics of thermodynamics is what you guys thinks should exist in the machine world? What about the physics of Neo not being able to fly around like superman in the machine world? | |
| Sep 13, 2017 at 4:58 | comment | added | Shah Abaz Khan | This world is an illusion, exile. | |
| Dec 1, 2016 at 5:01 | comment | added | bobbyalex | Ummm.. if this was the case, I am pretty sure people outside the matrix (in Zion for eg) would have noticed this. (that the law of thermodynamics that they knew about does not apply to the real world) | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 13:47 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Luaan BTW, you're mistaken. My comment serves the purpose of explaining my downvote, which I consider basic etiquette here. That's the point. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 9:46 | comment | added | Luaan | @AndresF. If you think it's not a good answer for SE, raise it with the moderators. There's no point in discussing it in the comments. | |
| Dec 21, 2015 at 13:23 | comment | added | Megha | I'm pretty sure the movie states that the created world was historical, and so it must have exceedingly similar laws to reality. Not to mention the stated reason for the failure of the first matrix was that it was 'too unrealistic' - so it wouldn't make sense to rewrite all natural laws by way of the subsequent attempts. | |
| Jul 17, 2015 at 19:54 | comment | added | Andres F. | @Kevin The problem is that it mischaracterizes the movie. I can write fan-fiction where the machines are actually the toys of a giant alien unicorn, and everything we saw was just him (it?) playing and making up a story, and this wouldn't contradict the movie. But I can safely assume that wasn't the intent of the Wachowsky brothers. I think we are meant to believe the laws of physics work (more or less) like in real life, minus the usual action movie licenses. I'm not saying it's not a valid thought experiment, just that it doesn't belong in an answer about the actual Matrix movie. | |
| Jul 17, 2015 at 19:40 | comment | added | Kevin | @AndresF.: The answer still raises a valid point, though. The first movie, at least, does not specify the laws of physics we are working with, except that they are superficially similar to reality. It's speculation, but I don't think it's quite fair to characterize it as a "false premise" unless you can point to a specific place where it contradicts canon (and not just reality). | |
| Jun 25, 2015 at 8:58 | comment | added | Zommuter | @KronoS Then you're not good "the One" material, I'm afraid to say :P | |
| Aug 4, 2014 at 1:19 | comment | added | Shisa | @M.K. Oh. Thanks. :) Anyway, Michael's points above aside, I'd find it hard to believe that all those highly intelligent and vociferously curious people (hackers in the Matrix!) and none of them put together a 'real physics book' or at least a book on 'how there's no such thing' which proved how in-Matrix laws were false, or tried to correlate 'real' natural laws with false in-Matrix ones. I assume Zion caught some of those 'we-live-in-a-VR' Nuclear Physicists, too and I can't see them just shutting up and sitting down about a 'you can't do physics experiments in Zion' directive. | |
| Aug 3, 2014 at 23:18 | comment | added | M.K. | @Shisa AFAIK it's just one of his (or some friend's) alternative ideas for fanfiction - as he writes on that page, "the other fanfictions you could've been reading." | |
| Jul 22, 2014 at 11:50 | comment | added | Shisa | The link to the author goes a HP fanfiction - what's the source of the quoted Matrix dialogue? Does the author work for the Matrix franchise in some capacity? | |
| Mar 12, 2014 at 8:38 | comment | added | Cees Timmerman | Batteries of humans used for processing power could be taken either way. | |
| Jan 31, 2014 at 14:41 | comment | added | user1008646 | I like this "simulated education" idea. When watching "The Truman Show", I wondered why Truman never caught on to the fact that the moon was always full and never set. I figured he was educated in the "Truman-verse", and so was misled to make that seem normal. How could Morpheus and Neo believe that humans could be used as batteries? Answer: Their schools are controlled by those who want them to believe it. ... Now you've got me wondering who controlled the schools I attended! | |
| Jan 26, 2013 at 22:42 | comment | added | jono | @MichaelBorgwardt The same rhetoric could also be used to illustrate how little Neo knows about the energy efficiency of the human body. Considering the kinda-magic stuff that happens in the second movie it's not unfeasible that the energy equation isn't as simple as all that in the Matrixverse. | |
| Jan 26, 2013 at 20:42 | comment | added | Michael Borgwardt | @Nathan C. Tresch: Thermodynamics is really about all kinds of energy (the second law talks about a thermodynamic equilibrium, which includes other forms of energy). Heat has a special role because other forms can be converted to heat with near 100% efficiency whereas there are tight limits on the efficiency of converting heat to other forms, and converting between other forms usually yields at least some heat. | |
| Jan 26, 2013 at 20:01 | comment | added | Nathan C. Tresch | @MichaelBorgwardt So you really think that because heat energy has a tendency to disperse that somehow means universally that all energy always does? "THERMO" dynamics, not "ENERGY" dynamics. I've never been able to fathom that. | |
| Jan 7, 2013 at 21:22 | comment | added | Michael Borgwardt | @Nathan C. Tresch: Hubris to doubt it, I'd say. | |
| Jan 7, 2013 at 20:02 | comment | added | Nathan C. Tresch | @MichaelBorgwardt Hubris to say that, imo. | |
| Jan 7, 2013 at 9:37 | comment | added | Michael Borgwardt | @Nathan C. Tresch: Only at first glance. A world where the laws of thermodynamics don't apply would be completely unrecognizable in every way, not as 99.9999% identical to ours as the "real world" of the Matrix is. | |
| Jan 7, 2013 at 1:31 | comment | added | Andres F. | -1 Anything can be proven by starting from a false premise. Therefore, IMO the premise "everything you know about Physics is wrong" isn't a very interesting starting point. It's not a point the Wachowskis seems to be making in Matrix, either; they merely imply some things about the real world might not be what they seem, but certainly not everything. | |
| Mar 5, 2012 at 9:04 | comment | added | Highly Irregular | I guess you would explain it as artistic license then. | |
| Jul 13, 2011 at 20:01 | comment | added | Konerak | Neo's explication in his second line is actually correct for our world. Morpheus just disproves it when Neo's knowledge would come from within a corrupted world. | |
| May 30, 2011 at 21:19 | comment | added | James Mertz | The one that we live in now. Until someone comes to me with a red or blue pill I'm going to assume that this world is real. | |
| May 30, 2011 at 18:21 | comment | added | M.K. | How do you know what's the real world? | |
| May 30, 2011 at 16:02 | comment | added | James Mertz | This is a great explanation for the 'created world' the wachowski bros created but I think the OP is looking for our real world. | |
| May 29, 2011 at 6:35 | comment | added | M.K. | Why the downvote? I thought this is a good explanation... | |
| May 28, 2011 at 20:30 | history | answered | M.K. | CC BY-SA 3.0 |