Timeline for Can free humans tell if they are in the Matrix?
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| Jan 25, 2016 at 19:19 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | OK, I see. But I disagree that there's any clear evidence that one's appearance in the Matrix, as opposed to in a construct, has anything to do with "residual self image", since as I said that phrase was specifically used to explain why appearance in a construct resembled appearance in the Matrix. We don't really know how appearance works in the Matrix, so it may be that if the Machines wanted you to appear just like you do in the real world, they could arrange that (though maybe their level of control would depend if you were hacking in like the Zionites or if they had you in a pod). | |
| Jan 25, 2016 at 19:13 | comment | added | Valorum | @Hypnosifl - That's my point. If you found yourself in the Matrix, the fact that your RSI doesn't match your 'real' self, you'd instantly know that you were inside the Matrix. | |
| Jan 25, 2016 at 19:09 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | For the most part a great answer, but I would disagree with the "residual self-image" part, which was only mentioned as explaining why one's appearance in a Zion construct looked the same as one's appearance in the Matrix, not as explaining why one's appearance in the Matrix looked like one's real-world appearance (and in fact the Matrix/real-world match wasn't perfect), see my answer here. | |
| Jan 25, 2016 at 18:41 | history | edited | Valorum | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jan 25, 2016 at 17:13 | comment | added | Cees Timmerman | @ike The machines want to preserve humanity, so the agents try to stop anyone from rocking the boat. If the humans try to wake up by committing suicide in the Matrix, they still die in their pods. | |
| Mar 31, 2014 at 15:24 | comment | added | ike | If by Zionians you mean free humans, why would they deliberately handicap themselves by depending on their contacts to get them out instead of controlling it themselves? And if it was possible for them to do it, why didn't the machines just not offer everyone the choice? We would all know, but it wouldn't matter if we couldn't escape. | |
| Mar 31, 2014 at 14:22 | comment | added | Valorum | @ike - you may see the world as unreal but that doesn't mean you immediately wake up and die. Clearly the Zionians have measures in place to prevent that. | |
| Mar 31, 2014 at 14:14 | comment | added | ike | But if you are offered a "choice", why not? Free humans, when offered the same choice simply reject the Matrix as unreal. | |
| Mar 31, 2014 at 11:58 | comment | added | Valorum | @ike - the rule is that you can't (normally) leave the Matrix without reaching an "exit" | |
| Mar 31, 2014 at 11:21 | comment | added | ike | If they need to accept it, then why couldn't some of them escape whenever they wanted to (e.g. in the first film when their guy betrayed them)? | |
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| Mar 28, 2014 at 17:17 | vote | accept | ike | ||
| Mar 28, 2014 at 16:53 | history | answered | Valorum | CC BY-SA 3.0 |