Timeline for Can a patronus take the form of a dementor?
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| Apr 10, 2018 at 21:03 | comment | added | Pryftan | @BrianS Perhaps. But actually I perhaps read your point wrong - I was thinking you meant psychopathic. I have been totally knackered so perhaps that's part of it. Forgive me if you didn't mean psychopathic. | |
| Apr 10, 2018 at 2:20 | comment | added | Brian S | @Pryftan Are you implying that a hypothetical individual who felt a positive emotional response upon seeing the form of a creature of negative emotions is in-touch with reality? | |
| Apr 8, 2018 at 1:41 | comment | added | Pryftan | @BrianS 'and yet the possibility of a truly psychotic wizard remains, someone for whom the concept of the dementor is positive. The possibility seems remote (and such a person would probably be unlikely to cast the charm in the first place), but I feel the possibility is there.' Is rather insulting, contributes to stigma and is completely incorrect and a disgrace. Someone who is psychotic has lost touch with reality. That's completely different from a psychopath. | |
| Mar 30, 2018 at 19:52 | comment | added | Pryftan | @Valorum Right. As I suggested. What I was trying to say is ... Ah.. maybe what you were trying to say is that given the dementors are anything but producers of happiness it would mean they aren't able to be related to happiness but more like unhappiness and so how could it be that a Patronus takes its form? Indeed what you wrote already makes it extremely unlikely but when you add in that thought as well (which of course you also wrote) it seems even less possible. Is that what you were trying to say? | |
| Mar 30, 2018 at 19:31 | comment | added | Valorum | @Pryftan - It's not the Patronus that has the feelings but the feelings that it causes in the caster that's important | |
| Mar 30, 2018 at 19:27 | comment | added | Pryftan | 'The patronus must take the form of something that creates positive feelings (a dementor is by definition the embodiment of unhappy feelings, primarily fear) and the shape of an animal with whom they share an affinity.' Not saying the majority of that is wrong but it seems to me that a Patronus doesn't have feelings at all. Unless perhaps this has been further analysed but I always got the impression it's the emotion the caster put into the spell rather than the Patronus itself (though perhaps that's semantics?). Your answer still seems correct though. | |
| Jan 16, 2016 at 20:26 | comment | added | Adamant | Yeah. It could have been an elephant, whale, or so forth. | |
| Jul 10, 2014 at 18:45 | comment | added | Valorum | @NUnnikrishnan - Per pottermore; "This Ancient Greek is alleged to be the only known wizard to have produced a Patronus the size of a giant.". The form of the patronus is unclear other than that it's large. | |
| Jul 10, 2014 at 18:41 | comment | added | N Unnikrishnan | My worry is that all the Patronuses we see in canon reflect the typical sizes of the corresponding animals faithfully. Why should that of Andros be an exception? Is there an animal (Beast, so to say) of giant size? | |
| Jul 10, 2014 at 12:10 | comment | added | Valorum | @nunnikrishnan - You've answered your own question. | |
| Jul 10, 2014 at 11:57 | comment | added | N Unnikrishnan | How do we explain the giant Patronus of Andros the Invincible? The Wikia attributes this informtation to Wonderbook: Book of Spells. Though it's mentioned to be just of giant size, not as being a giant explicitly. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 19:26 | comment | added | DoctorWho22 | Ah true... it looked like u were quoting Simon... But yeah only true dark wizards are sort of "unable" to produce a true patronus... | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 16:03 | comment | added | phantom42 | @DoctorWho22 I never meant to respond to Simon. Richard said "unable". All of my responses are taking issue to that choice of wording. IMO, Simon is correct in that someone with that affinity is likely to never want/need to cast a patronus - which lines up with with JKR's quote. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 15:46 | comment | added | DoctorWho22 | @Phantom42 You seem to misunderstand me... I was referring to your response to Simon... Simon never used the word unable >_> "Likewise if someone had an affinity with dementors he/she would not be casting a patronus anyway." - That's what Simon said.. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:47 | comment | added | phantom42 | being not good enough or currently unable to understand it is not the same as being absolutely unable. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:45 | comment | added | Valorum | @phantom42 - "competent but unworthy"scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/15568/… | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:39 | comment | added | phantom42 | Source? The quote I found says "a Patronus is used against things that the Death Eaters generally generate, or fight alongside. They would not need Patronuses." | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:34 | comment | added | Valorum | @Zibbobz - I'm gonna fall back on point 3. A dementor is not an animal. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:32 | comment | added | Zibbobz | A nihilistic wizard, maybe? | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:32 | comment | added | Valorum | @phantom42 - Jkr explicitly stated that death eaters won't and can't cast a patronus | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:19 | comment | added | Brian S | "The patronus must take the form of something that creates positive feelings" -- and yet the possibility of a truly psychotic wizard remains, someone for whom the concept of the dementor is positive. The possibility seems remote (and such a person would probably be unlikely to cast the charm in the first place), but I feel the possibility is there. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:07 | comment | added | phantom42 | @DoctorWho22 no, Richard said "unable". Simon said "would not". In either case, the point remains: Death Eaters and less-than-good are able to cast patronuses. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 14:00 | comment | added | DoctorWho22 | @phantom42 They said would not be casting one... not that they are unable to do so... Most dark wizards usually do not attempt to cast spells that are not of the dark arts.. And there have been cases where Dark Wizards attempting to use Patronus had it backfire... As Richard said Dolores wasn't necessarily a "Dark" Wizard / true Death Eater she was just simply crazy. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:44 | history | edited | Donald.McLean | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:31 | history | edited | Valorum | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:25 | comment | added | Valorum | @phantom42 - Apparently her ability to cast a corporeal patronus is because she's a) delusional and b) not a true death eater (and c) because JKR mucked up and had to retcon a reason why a baddie could cast a patronus). | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:22 | comment | added | phantom42 | "someone who had an affinity for a dementor would be unable to cart a patronus" Dolores Umbridge is able to. I don't know that she'd necessarily have an affinity with a Dementor, but she's generally a pretty unpleasant person. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:21 | comment | added | CandiedMango | Likewise if someone had an affinity with dementors he/she would not be casting a patronus anyway. | |
| Jul 9, 2014 at 13:19 | history | answered | Valorum | CC BY-SA 3.0 |