Timeline for How could Saruman lose the battle of Helm's Deep?
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| Dec 5, 2014 at 19:14 | comment | added | La-comadreja | not clear if there was coal around. but he could have obtained fuel from a pillage of the surrounding areas, while besieging the Hornburg. | |
| Dec 4, 2014 at 18:19 | comment | added | Oldcat | He should have had the orcs mine coal. "Coal Ents", if they exist at all, wouldn't have arms and legs to destroy his army. | |
| Nov 28, 2014 at 17:29 | comment | added | La-comadreja | @leftaroundabout, the majority of trees were actually used for what the Ents called a poor excuse. However, there are lots of ways to be energy efficient and Saruman doesn't seem to have cared about these. | |
| Nov 27, 2014 at 22:16 | comment | added | leftaroundabout | @La-comadreja: he probably needed a lot of wood for fuel... being a wizard doesn't mean you can violate conservation of energy, Gandalf explicitly states so on Caradhras: "'If Gandalf would go before us with a bright flame, he might melt a path for you,' said Legolas. ... 'If elves could fly over mountains, they might fetch the sun to save us,' answered Gandalf. 'But I must have something to work on. I cannot burn snow.'". — What Saruman should at least have avoided is to let orcs just hew trees down and leave them dying, as Quickbeam laments. | |
| Nov 26, 2014 at 16:08 | comment | added | La-comadreja | Arguably, his worst mistake was ordering the orcs to harvest unsustainable numbers of trees. The catastrophe with the Ents/Huorns was entirely avoidable and they were instrumental in both prongs of his defeat. (If the orc army were allowed to flee to Isengard after the battle, they might have had another chance to assault the Hornburg and possibly maintain a siege.) It seems his overconfidence led him to underestimate Fangorn forest's power. | |
| Nov 26, 2014 at 8:05 | history | answered | Shadur-don't-feed-the-AI | CC BY-SA 3.0 |