Timeline for Why was Gimli of such a low rank, compared to the other representatives chosen for the Fellowship?
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| Jul 7, 2022 at 11:21 | comment | added | Adamant | @JonathanCast - The hobbits are definitely upper-class toffs, I'll grant, but their "nobility" is minimal. For instance, in terms of authority, the Thain was something of a mayor, meaning that Pippin is not even the mayor, just someone related to him. There hardly appears to even be a local government in the Shire, relegating Pippin and Merry to rich folks who can brag about their family trees. That does not really compare to "heir to the realm of Gondor" or "son of the Elf-King." | |
| Jul 7, 2022 at 1:27 | history | edited | DavidW | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 13, 2014 at 16:07 | comment | added | Neuromancer | Err Pippin and Merry are high ranking hobbit nobles look at the family trees! Frodo also a took albeit aminor one adopted into a nouveau riche family the SB having mad all their money in "trade" | |
| Dec 12, 2014 at 14:22 | comment | added | user8719 | "That said the Fellowship was a group of VOLUNTEERS and weren't chosen by any save themselves" - not quite true; in the movies they certainly were, but in the books many of them were actually chosen by Elrond. | |
| Dec 11, 2014 at 21:26 | comment | added | Omegacron | I'm glad you brought that up @jcast - no one ever does. They were basically the big men on campus before they left. When they came back as heroes of the War of the Ring, they were as close to kings as Hobbits ever get. | |
| Dec 11, 2014 at 18:06 | comment | added | Jonathan Cast | "None of the Hobbits really had rank" - huh? Pippin was the heir of the Thain, who was the King's representative in the Shire and nominal head of State; Merry was the heir of the house of Brandybuck, which is roughly the Thain's equivalent east of the Brandywine. Frodo was the head of the Baggins family which makes him the most prominent hobbit in Hobbiton. The Shire is based on 19th century England ("about the year of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee" according to Tolkien), and those three are effectively heads of the local government. | |
| Dec 11, 2014 at 14:49 | comment | added | Brouellette | @Mort but they were still from a free people. And as I said looking at the others steward is still a servant. | |
| Dec 11, 2014 at 14:33 | comment | added | mort | "Huh? None of the Hobbits really had rank." I know and thus I made the question about the characters included in the fellowship specifically to represent the free peoples of middle-earth; non of the hobbit was part of the fellowship for that reason. | |
| Dec 11, 2014 at 14:25 | history | answered | Brouellette | CC BY-SA 3.0 |