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| Mar 25, 2021 at 0:56 | comment | added | lucasbachmann | I think your answer is incorrect. The reboot largely erased season 5 save for the memories of time travelers that participated in the reboot. The whole point of the reboot is those cracks don't exist and never did - which clearly was not the case in season 5. | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 21:38 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | (cont.) Do you think your analysis would make sense in either of these terms, or are you assuming some non-sequential notion of how "changes" to the timeline work, so we can't put the timelines resulting from changes in order? From such a sequential point of view, it seems like Amy must have arrived in a rebooted timeline with parents "after" (either in meta-time, or her personal chronology of visits to different parallel timelines) having grown up in a timeline without parents, which may or may not also have been "after" the reboot event. Do you disagree? And yes, chat is fine. | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 21:33 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | @Amy - When talking about multiple versions of the timeline, I find it helpful to either think in terms of a branching parallel timeline model (so when a time traveler's memories don't match the timelike they're in, it's because they traveled from another timeline into a new timeline, with the old one still existing in parallel), or in terms of a model in which there are a series of versions of the timeline at different moments in some "meta-time" dimension (so a time traveler's out-of-place memories are from a version of the timeline that existed at an earlier meta-time, but is now erased). | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 20:22 | comment | added | Amy | The rebooted universe in its natural, unedited state is the same both pre- and post-"The Big Bang". But if someone with the power to rewrite history makes a change, then for them, history is going to change and it will be a new timeline. But at that point, the rebooted universe is no longer in an unedited state; it has been altered. However, timelines are not physical places. They are sequences of events. This is one universe with one timeline being changed, not one entire universe with its own separate history replacing a different one. Also, maybe we should move this to chat? :P | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 20:18 | comment | added | Amy | the universe. Now at this point, time forks into two paths. From an objective POV, her parents are going to be erased. But from current-Amy's personal POV, she has done all of that and now knows that she can remember her parents back, and does so. So from her personal POV, time is now rewritten to include them, and the parentless timeline is overwritten. But it still had to have happened in order for her to learn that she could being her parents back. Essentially, there is a new timeline created, but it is because of Amy remembering her parents, not the Doctor rebooting the universe. | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 20:14 | comment | added | Amy | You are right in that the parentless timeline would be overwritten. But there isn't anything wrong with that. With time-travel, it is possible for things to be one way for a while, and then for a change to occur in the past, meaning that those things now happened in a different way all along, even though they had to have happened the first way in order for there to even be a change. But again, we see this from Amy's POV. The reboot restores the universe. Then her parents get erased. Then she meets the Doctor and travels with him and learns that she can bring her parents back, and he reboots | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 18:54 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | (continued) But if you go with that sort of theory, then the timeline we see throughout most of series 5 can't be the same as the one we see at the end after Big Bang Two, because Amy didn't have any parents in the earlier parts of series 5. After BB2, Amy's personal timestream can only have included memories of having no parents because she had brought those memories from her experiences in another timeline where she did not in fact have parents--and that must have been the timeline we were watching in the earlier parts of series 5. | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 18:51 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | @Amy - I don't think that really answers the question unless one explains how "personal timestreams" are related to whole-universe timelines. For example, we might imagine that if my personal timestream includes memories of events that didn't happen in the timeline I'm currently in, that's because I started out in a different timeline that matched my memories, then when I went back and changed history somehow, that brought me to a new timeline (with the other one either having been 'erased' or continuing to exist in parallel). | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 1:44 | comment | added | Amy | That is why Amy mentions having two distinct sets of memories, one with parents and one without, in the "Good Night" minisode. Because at first, her parents had been erased, until she learned in her own personal timestream that she could remember them back, did so, and then reinserted them into history, just like she did with the Doctor. Basically, time got rewritten to include them. The difference being, we see considerably more of the Doctor's time before being erased than we do of Amy's parents', while we spend far longer looking at the universe post-their erasure than we do the Doctor's. | |
| Jan 10, 2015 at 1:38 | comment | added | Amy | Well, consider that we experience the show with relation to the characters' personal timestreams. Going by Amy's personal timestream, her parents were erased by the cracks (which we have established are scar tissue in the already-rebooted universe). She then grew up alone with a crack in her wall, and met the Doctor. Then she started travelling with him, and then the end of the universe happened. Just before he took off in the Pandorica, the Doctor told her that she needed to remember her parents. Which she did, which overwrote their absence in her personal past. | |
| Jan 9, 2015 at 14:52 | comment | added | Hypnosifl | This is a good theory, but I see one possible problem--if what we were seeing throughout series 5 was the new timeline generated by Big Bang Two, why were Amy's parents missing? I suspect the writers just sort of blend elements from time travel stories where history can get rewritten with elements from time travel stories where everything is constrained to be self-consistent, without thinking through the logic too carefully (you can always chalk it up to that mysterious 'timey-wimeyness'--maybe there were multiple parallel rebooted timelines, or "echoes" from one timeline in another, etc.) | |
| Jan 9, 2015 at 13:32 | comment | added | Doctor Doom | The Doctor's intervention in previous universe in Stone and Flesh has a big point. Thanks. | |
| Jan 9, 2015 at 13:29 | vote | accept | Doctor Doom | ||
| Jan 9, 2015 at 13:04 | history | answered | Amy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |