Timeline for How does one get a plot of land on Earth?
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| Mar 8, 2015 at 5:36 | answer | added | Captain P | timeline score: 1 | |
| Mar 4, 2015 at 5:58 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/#!/StackSciFi/status/572999496742924288 | ||
| Mar 3, 2015 at 16:53 | comment | added | Royal Canadian Bandit | The Culture novels by Iain M Banks have a much more detailed and coherent exploration of a post-money, post-scarcity society than we see in Star Trek. Even then, some questions were left unexplained. IMO, Star Trek never really attempted to elucidate a consistent economic model for the Federation. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 16:35 | comment | added | Doctor Doom | What if all land plots are owned by Government? | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 15:22 | comment | added | DavidS | @Jim2B I'd say it's a ratio of tech to work. For example, the Enterprise has no janitorial staff - the ship can clean itself. While this can't cover all jobs, it would dramatically lower the number of workers at any one time. If you've got a billion unemployed people and a thousand jobs, odds are you'll have enough volunteers at any given time. Combine that with a massive societal shift that advocates self-improvement and a good work ethic...I could see it. But you'd really need advanced AI and machines (isn't some medical care done by AI in Voyager?) | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 15:18 | comment | added | Jim2B | As far as "barter" goes. What happens if you provide nursing care, I need nursing care, I have septic pumping chits, and you don't need those? Wouldn't it be nice if we had a currency system in place to handle those transactions? The currency need not represent the material. They could be called "kudos", "attaboys", "karmas", or anything else you desire. Regardless of what it's called and what it represents, it's a form of currency. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 14:19 | comment | added | Jim2B | AcePL: my problem is that first some of our needs are service based (e.g. medical care) and can't be met unless someone does them. Second, some services are more distasteful (because they're dangerous, boring, unenlightening, or just disgusting). People will naturally avoid the distasteful jobs. How do you encourage people to do these jobs that need to get done? How do you allocate service personnel to where they need to be? All ST says is "people's needs are met, people need not work, people work for personal satisfaction" none of this provides such a mechanism. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 14:13 | comment | added | Jim2B | Or the poker scene in Firefly were they gamble for not doing distasteful chores. :) | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 14:13 | comment | added | Paul D. Waite | Maybe earth’s population is small enough that the issue never comes up; you just go and find some nice land, and there’s more than enough to go around. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 13:54 | comment | added | DVK-on-Ahch-To | @Jim2B - labour based currency? I saw that movie before! (Jacob: Now I worked for you Laban for 7 years. Give me your daughter for a wife, as promised! Oh. Wrong daughter. I'll work 7 more years for the one I want as a second wife) | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 11:03 | answer | added | AcePL | timeline score: -2 | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 10:49 | comment | added | AcePL | @Jim2B - ST Economy is moneyless as it moved the goals for individual from material to moral/ethical plane. You are paid with what you need (barter) for what you offer. All basic needs are met, and people compete for scarce resources in form of social status (science, Starfleet, etc.). This obviously would not work without psychological shift of entire human race, which was provided by multiple near-ELEs (wars especially). Agree it is idealistic, but do not agree it's unworkable. Zimbabwe has currency but money is - for exmaple - washing liquid bottle. Favors can be money (well, sort of). | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 10:17 | comment | added | Jim2B | I agree Fruggiero. The UFP economy still needs currency. That currency need not be based upon material possessions as ours is. Instead it would be more likely labor, services, or chore based. How do you compensate or reward someone for doing necessary drudge, dangerous, or disgusting but necessary work? Not all of this work can be performed by robots and replicators won't provide high quality care for your ailing grandparents. If people only work for personal satisfaction, why would anyone volunteer to perform the UFP equivalent of pumping septic tanks? | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 10:13 | comment | added | Jim2B | This is what irks me about the ST Universe and these questions. The cannon keeps stating there's no currency, yet provides no viable explanation for how their economy gets by without it. When you point out the issues and how they might be avoided, True Believers state you are wrong because it goes against the cannon. The reality is the ST economy, as stated, wouldn't work. You could get an economy similar to what's described but you have to abandon some of the ST Universe economy ideals. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 3:37 | comment | added | Firebat | In Star Trek: Generations Kirk says in the Nexus “This is my house. I sold it years ago.” This always had me believe that while there is no overall currency, there was still some type of bartering currency (perhaps the elusive Federation Credit) for things of this nature. One of my favorite articles about the pseudo post-scarcity of Star-Trek is: @RickWebb | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 1:07 | comment | added | ths | i considered this always to be the biggest snag for a moneyless society. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 0:23 | comment | added | Valorum | Picard's family appear to have a considerable amount of land. There's no indication of how they got it or who they got it from. | |
| Mar 3, 2015 at 0:10 | history | asked | DVK-on-Ahch-To | CC BY-SA 3.0 |