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I'd read some books of the Dragonlance saga a long time ago, and now I'm doing some research to refresh my memory on some of the details.

IIRC, the names of the True Gods where known in Ansalon after the Cataclysm. Yet, the gods seemed to have forgotten their people. The Company of the Lance (through Goldmoon) had to find the Disks of Mishakal, and through them, they learned about the gods, the rites and the like.

What confuses me now, is if all priests (including the ones of evil gods such as Takhisis, who were bringing the War of the Lance over Ansalon) each had to have one Medallion of Faith in order to cast spells.

So my question is: have priests in the world of Krynn always needed their medallions of faith to cast spells (both pre and post cataclysm)?

Also, lets try to include Ansalon and Taladas, but we can forget about the latter if all the answers we might get are just about RPG rules and references.

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  • From the Cataclysm up until Goldmoon rediscovered the Disks of Mishakal was a time when priests/clerics did not have access to divine magic. This was part of the punishment (im unsure if it was a byproduct of the cataclysm, been years since I read the series) by the gods that began with the Cataclysm when Istar (Ishtar?) and its kingpriest was destroyed with the fiery mountain. Priests access divine magic through their faith in a certain god/ess and a medallion isn't needed for this (but I belive the medallion is gifted to the cleric from his/her god, I might be wrong on that)
    – Dai
    Commented Oct 10, 2014 at 7:33
  • @dai, well, I'm not sure about the relationship of the Medallions with the Disks. Why had the Disks to be rediscovered in order for the True Gods to grant spells again? Did this apply to evil priests, since Takhisis had her own agenda?
    – Kreann
    Commented Oct 10, 2014 at 12:00
  • IIRC, the Medallions have nothing to do with the ability of clerics to cast spells in the books. As I recall, when the cleric obtains the ability to cast spells, a Medallion is given to them by some divine means. It's more of symbol of having obtained the faith necessary to cast spells granted by their deity. But it's been a long time since I've read them all.
    – BBlake
    Commented Oct 10, 2014 at 12:52
  • @BBlake, probably you are right. I'll have to do more research on why the Disks of Mishakal had to be discovered in order or the True God to say "OK, before no, but now lets start granting spell-like favors to the people who request them". And again, with the evils gods having their own agenda, so they might have been granting favors even before that?
    – Kreann
    Commented Oct 10, 2014 at 14:12
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    I think the disks were required because no one left alive still believed in the truth about the gods. They all believed the gods were gone, or dead, or whatever. Only rumors and stories remained. The true, correct belief system no longer existed on Krynn. In order to restore that faith, someone needed to have a record which detailed the "true" faith. Of course, the gods could have just re-revealed that faith to someone, but I would guess they wanted someone to prove that they really wanted the truth first.
    – BBlake
    Commented Oct 10, 2014 at 17:06

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TL:DR: According to D&D-4e, yes they can... but there's no in-universe precedent for it.

This is mostly a deconstruction of your Wiki link. As, I have of yet to find, an instance where a cleric does so without theirs. I believe there was a point at which Crysania's prayers were unanswered, but that was from a lack of faith, not a misplaced necklace. I'm still looking for a part that says, "the Schwartz are in you!" - Skip to the last paragraph for the D&D rules.

What follows is an interpretation by one who has come to understand D&D, largely in part, through the epic saga that is Dragonlance. Beware the wall of text, offering no input on 'pre/post cataclysm'.


To start off, let's first look at another definition with the keywords, outward sign: (and a hint at the reasoning behind the lack of precedence for an answer)

This is a cleric's outward sign for their commitment and faith toward their god or goddess. [...] The Medallions also resist any effort to be removed by force from the cleric. It usually results in a severely shocked or burned hand. –Medallion of Faith, dragonlancenexus.com

Medallion of FaithList of Dragonlance artifacts –Wiki:

(They "provide an outlet to channel power from". It does not say 'provides a means from which clerics cast spells'.)

Medallions of faith are worn by the members of the clergy of the true gods of Krynn, with the exception of the three gods of magic. These medallions are worn to serve two purposes; one is to proclaim the faith of the wearer, and, in the case of clerics, to provide an outlet to channel power from. Medallions of faith can be worn by the common citizenry, but they do not gain clerical power from the medal. The medallions are magical. The Medallions have a symbol of the god upon them. Medallions are used in conjunction with robes and vestments to display the nature and deity of the cleric.

Let's take a closer look:

can be worn by the common citizenry, but they do not gain clerical power from the medal.

With that wording, one might assume that the faithful do gain clerical powers, however:

Medallions are used in conjunction with robes and vestments to display the nature and deity of the cleric.

Channeling the power of a god requires faith above all else (and according to 'the rules', they need no such implement). No true cleric of Krynn requires magic to cast cleric spells:

The medallions are magical.

You might think that 'clerics don't require magic' requires a cite, so I'll let Raist handle that: (if you've a problem with 'requires faith above all else', ask your local theologian about it, as I am ill-prepared to defend that part)

Raistlin Majere: She's channeling the power of a god, you dolt. I'm wresting arcane energies from the very fabric of the universe - it's completely different. –IMDB

Editorial: (including a non-definitive example of a cleric without one, and AFAIK the only time this occurs)

Rephrase:
Can a 'priest' in Krynn personally cast cleric spells without ever having Been Given a Medallion of Faith?

IMO, absolutely not. No self-respecting god would forget to bestow their symbol of faith before granting that power. You might find cites to the contrary, but they would be far from the norm.

I'd surmise, that it's going to be difficult to find a passage, in which a cleric without their medallion is not also experiencing a lapse of faith. For, in but the one example I've found, I sincerely doubt that when "Crysania gave her Medallion of Faith to Palin to get past the grove"*, Paladine deserted her even momentarily.

Such earthly trinkets have no effect on the prerogative of someone who's literally been through hell and back. Someone of less faith however, might feel the need for such a bauble, and probably performs poorly without one.

Lack of precedence:

Lastly, this situation simply doesn't happen unwillingly:

Brigands attacked them, and when one of them named Steeltoe attempted to remove her Medallion of Faith, it harmed him.*

Yours is a valid question, but exactly why it isn't around their neck is integral to the answer. Tantamount to sacrilege, no person of continuing faith is ever without theirs, willingly - without a reason in good faith.

Permit me one last bit of speculation, that the prayers of those who have willingly discarded their medallion, surely go unanswered. If you are worthy, it is around your neck - there is no nominal precedent for one without the other.

Unfortunately, the one cleric who would be most apt to ignore this rule if it does exist, is also one and the same as our only example: Crysania. So, in lieu of emailing the authors, we can but look up the rules.

*: Crysania Tarinius, dragonlancenexus.com


D&D rules:

Which cleric powers are usable without a Holy Symbol?RPG.SE, paraphrased:

Clerics can use (almost) all of their powers when disarmed and without implements. With which, you would simply get a bonus (in D&D-4e).

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    In the 3e/3.5e version of the Dragonlance setting, priests did require a medallion of faith in order to cast spells. Fortunately, any priest with access to the bless spell (and a medallion of their own) could make more medallions, and the bless spell was first level, so they were pretty easy to get ahold of if lost, stolen, or encountered-for-the-first-time-after-centuries-of-divine-absence.
    – user867
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 5:42
  • @user867 - Is there a Dragonlance version of 3e/3.5e, or does it simply adhere to those rules? If you have a cite that they did, I implore you to answer (or gimme teh codez, plz!)
    – Mazura
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 5:57
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    Dragonlance for 3/3.5e D&D was an officially-licensed product line, but a third-party one. (Or possibly a second-party one, depending on who you ask.) Which is to say, it wasn't made by WOTC, but by another group (Sovereign Press) with the legal right to do so. I understand Margaret Weiss was involved, and her name is a powerful talisman. Anyway, I can't provide a reference for the thing about needing a medallion of faith because I don't own copies of the books; I once came across a paragraph to that effect while flipping through a friend's copy, and it stuck in my mind.
    – user867
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 6:48
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Magic is given to Deitys by Solinari the white moon,lunitari the red and Nuitari,they are physically moons... Their spellbook library is atop the Silver stairs... Without passing the Test at Wayreth the gods don't allow you to cast spells over 3rd level... Before the cataclysm,A cleric came to see every true faith cleric in the land, and brought them all,from 21 gods, with him into their god's own thereafter...the all left with their medallions, medallions can be created by other medallions or by reading the disks of mishakkal...so without the medallions,no clerical spell above 3rdLvl is not out of reach for everyone without a medallion of Faith...

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    Hi, welcome to SF&F. What is your source for this?
    – DavidW
    Commented Aug 6, 2022 at 3:20

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