In the 1986 film The Highlander we learn that the Immortal Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez was given an ivory handled katana in 592 B.C., forged by the great Japanese swordsmith Masamune.

How was Ramirez's ivory handled katana forged over 1,500 years before katana swordsmithing techniques were perfected in Japan?

This seemed like a historical goof. There's no evidence Japanese swordsmiths were fashioning katanas in the 6th century B.C. Furthermore, Masamune wasn't even alive in 592 B.C. He was active during the late 13th/early 14th centuries A.D.

One of the characters in the film, the detective and metallurgy expert Brenda Wyatt, does remark on the unlikelihood of the sword's provenance after dating shards from the blade, implying its ancient origin is an intentional plot device. But the issue is never raised again in the film.

Perhaps we're to infer Masamune was himself an Immortal who practiced the art of swordmaking over the eons?


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1. Was the katana really that old?

Yes, it was - we have both Ramirez's words and Dr. Wyatt's test results. She says,

Brenda: I dated these pieces of the blade at 600 B.C. The metal's been folded over 200 times. The Japanese didn't start making swords that way until the Middle Ages. So where the hell did it come from? If I could verify its existence, it would be like discovering a 747, made a thousand years before the Wright Brothers ever flew.

(from the script - the dialogue spoken in the film is slightly shortened, and transcripts available online have some mistakes)

So the blacksmith had to be a real genius, that made a one-of-a-kind sword.

The Highlander wiki says:

The preferred weapon of Immortal Connor MacLeod, the ivory-handled Masamune katana is a weapon like no other. It was forged in 593 B.C. by the legendary master swordsmith for Immortal Juan Sánchez Villa-Lobos Ramírez, as a dowry for his marriage to Princess Shakiko. Using revolutionary techniques which would not become common until the 14th century A.D., Masamune folded the metal in the blade over two hundred times, creating the katana's infamous razor-sharp edge.

Ramirez himself mentions it to McLeod:

Ramirez: MacLeod, I was born 2,437 years ago. In that time, I've had three wives. The last was Shikiko, a Japanese princess. Her father, Masamune, a genius, made this for me in 593 B.C. It is the only one of its kind... like his daughter.

So it is not a screenwriter's mistake, but a purposeful plot device.

2. Is the Masamune who made the sword the same famous blacksmith from the 14th century?

That's possible, but very doubtful: Masamune from Ramirez's story had a daughter, and immortals cannot have children. Also, why would he hide for over two thousand years, not making a single sword, just to resurface again in the 14th century?

The out-of-universe answer would suggest that the screenwriter simply took a famous name to look more believable, but from the in-story point of view it's possible that the 14th century Masamune simply found the original Masamune's notes, and was able to use them to create new swords. Possibly, to honor the original blacksmith, he took his name.

  • Thanks Yasskier. I have a feeling the simplest explanation is correct: Masamune was a genius swordsmith whose skills predated sword makers in feudal Japan.
    – RobertF
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 14:52
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    Just as a side-note, the movie makers obviously mixed up folds and layers and the result, having a supposed expert saying that the sword has folded over two hundred times is a bit hilarious. Each folding doubles the number of layers, so folding eight times (a reasonable value) would create 256 layers, which I guess was actually meant. When you fold more then twenty times, the layers become so small, that the effect becomes counter-productive to the sword. When you fold two hundred times, the layers are about million times smaller than the atoms of the sword, thus hardly to detect for Brenda…
    – Holger
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 17:45
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    Masamune ... had a daughter - But what he didn't have was DNA testing, or even basic blood typing... I am not sure that 'having' a daughter completely excludes a male from being immortal.
    – Zoredache
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 23:48
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    It also seems rather surprising that Sánchez could have married a Japanese princess at that time. 593 BC was about 300 years before the end of the Final Jōmon Period in Japan, and the people of that time were hunter-gatherers that lived in relatively small communities. There is no evidence of much social stratification, thus no kings/emperors or princesses. All that came later, in the following Yayoi Period (from around 300 BC). Then again, metallurgy itself wasn’t introduced until around that time at all, either, so Masamune must have been a real genius! Commented Apr 25, 2016 at 12:54
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    "Folding" is just a simple form of pattern welding. Very complex pattern welding was being done in Celtic Europe from 800 **BC**(E). So, and this is a bit of a stretch, but, if there was a well travelled Japanese smith he might have learned the technique elsewhere and practised it in Japan, making swords that were legendarily good in a particular two handed sabre style (for some reason), so people started copying the shape, meaning the katana started "happening", and then two millenia later pattern welding was "discovered" again in Japan. Commented Nov 7, 2017 at 10:50

This answer comes with a health warning. Fans of the original Highlander film may want to look away now.

Because Ramirez had access to alien tech

We know from the second film in the series; Highlander: The Quickening that Ramirez (and all of the other Immortals) are in fact alien exiles originating from an ancient alien civilisation with access to advanced manufacturing techniques and metallurgy.

We see a strong demonstration of this when their contemporaries turn up on hovering skateboards and anti-grav hang gliders toting giant electric swords.

character using alien tech

It certainly doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that Ramirez told the swordsmith how to make the advanced sword in the same way that the Connecticut Yankee invented the steam engine a thousand years early.

Because, erm, magic.

We know from both Highlander 2 and Highlander 3: The Sorceror that magic is a 'thing' in the Highlander-verse. Both Ramirez and Kane channel vast energies using nothing but the power of magic and the swordsmith Nakano evidently uses magic in his sword-making; allowing him to create weapons of unparalleled strength and versatility.

At one point, Connor locates a block of folded steel used by Nakano to create his iconic sword. It's reasonable to assume that the reason he (Connor) had been unable to craft a similar sword, despite having studied his techniques was because he lacks the magical abilities needed to create that kind of metal.

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    Second film? What second film? Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 9:27
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    There is no second film. Or third film. They did not happen. Someone just created a completely unrelated film and happened to call it Highlander...it's the only explanation...
    – Tim B
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 9:33
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    @timb - You had to look, didn't you?
    – Valorum
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 10:04
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    Thanks Richard, this explanation makes sense even if Highlander 2 and 3 were stinkers. Now the question is if "alien technology" was intended to be the original explanation for the sword's age in the first movie, but there wasn't room to cover the origin story for the Immortals as exiles from another planet?
    – RobertF
    Commented Aug 26, 2015 at 14:44
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    There should have been only one!
    – ip6
    Commented Nov 7, 2017 at 8:35

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