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Elrond (who was 50% Elven) lived well over 6,000 years before departing Middle-Earth.

Because of his distant Elven lineage Aragorn lived over 200 years before he died. As a 3/4 elf Arwen was immortal and lived for 2901 years before dying of grief (after the death of Aragon).

Their son Eldarion would have been at least 37.5% elven. Should he expect his lifespan to be somewhere between Arwen's and Aragorn's? Or does he have enough elven blood to live forever?

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    Elven blood isn't what made the Númenoreans long-lived: "Eonwe came among them and taught them; and they were given wisdom and power and life more enduring than any others of mortal race have possessed" (Akallabeth). The assumption is that they were returned to the "pre-fall" state of Men; i.e long-lived and giving up their lives willingly (there's also writing in the Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth that hints at this). – user8719 Dec 31 '14 at 0:42
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    From the original Akallabeth text (CT editorially removed this from the published version): "Thrice that of Men of Middle-earth was the span of their years, and to the descendants of Hador the Fair even longer years were granted" (HoME 12) - Elven blood being the reason for long life is yet another D&Dism that's been retro-actively applied to Tolkien when no authorial warrant actually exists. – user8719 Dec 31 '14 at 1:53
  • Perhaps the best standard is not Elros but his grandchildren. – Anton Sherwood Apr 25 '17 at 9:26
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As you may know, Elrond and his brother, Elros, were half-elven, the sons of Eärendil and Elwing. The Valar gave them (along with the other living half-elves) the choice to follow either the path of the Elves or the path of Man. Elrond chose his elven side, remaining immortal, and Elros chose the Gift of Men and becoming the first King of Númenor. His line did not have a choice and were all thereafter mortal men, though with a very long life span (and some of his descendants, especially in later years, begrudged him that choice). Elrond's children were immortal until Elrond sailed west to Valinor, at which point they were given the choice to follow him there or remain in Middle Earth and become mortal. Arwen chose to remain to marry Aragorn. Thereafter, both being mortal, their child, Eldarion, was also counted among men. From the LotR wiki:

[Arwen] exercised this option [remain and become mortal], marrying Aragorn II Elessar, king of the Reunited Kingdom, and finally dying at the age of 2,901 years. Their son Eldarion and their daughters were not counted as Half-elven, but rather as Dúnedain restored.

So we know he's mortal, but not precisely how long he'll survive. I would wager, because of the renewed elven blood in his veins, around the same 500 years Elros's line started out at.

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The differing longevity of the descendants of Eärendil have nothing to do with the percentage of Elven blood. Rather, it's to do with which kindreds they chose to be counted amongst.

Elros and Elrond made their choices at the end of the First Age. Elrond's children, in turn, were also allowed to make the choice, but this did not have to happen until Elrond sailed over Sea.

When this eventually happened, after the end of the War of the Ring, Arwen made the irrevocable choice to be counted among Men. Thus, although by inheritance Eldarion might well be thought of as "half-elven", from the point of view of kindred he was fully a Man, and therefore not immortal. We don't know how long he lived, though.

  • How long would we expect him to live? – Jack B Nimble Jan 31 '12 at 17:19
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    I don't think there's any way of knowing. Anything from "the same as Aragorn" to "the same as Elros". – Daniel Roseman Jan 31 '12 at 17:32
  • The OP states that Aragorn's life was still extended beyond the normal expectancy of Man by his Elven blood, even though he appears to have chosen to be affiliated with Man. Would the same principle not still apply to Eldarion? – Iszi Jan 31 '12 at 17:37
  • @Iszi Aragorn didn't get a choice, he inherited the path chosen by his great-(times-n)-grandfather Elros. And yes, he had a much longer lifespan than other Men, and I would expect his son to have a similar one, as I state above. – Daniel Roseman Jan 31 '12 at 17:52
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    Most Númenóreans had extended lifespan, specially the kings, which were descended from Elros, and lived almost 500 years, when they would "get tired from living" and decide to sleep and find which destiny Ilúvatar saw fit to them. After Númenor rebelled against the Valar and was destroyed, most of the humans that remained on Middle-Earth were not of Númenórean descent, so they had shorter lifespans. Aragorn and Eldarion are of Númenórean descent, and also related to Elros, so their lifespan is longer than the average, but they are not immortal. – Wilerson Jan 31 '12 at 18:13
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The only explicit statement is in Letter 338:

I have written nothing beyond the first few years of the Fourth Age. (Except the beginning of a tale supposed to refer to the end of the reign of Eldarion about 100 years after the death of Aragorn...)

Aragorn died in Fourth Age 120, so the reign of Eldarion was therefore from Fourth Age 120 to 220 (or slightly later).

There's no record that I can find of his birth in the Tolkien sources I've checked (Lord of the Rings and History of Middle-earth 12) but some on-line sources (e.g LotR wikia) record an uncited date of Fourth Age 43. I can't personally vouch for the reliability of this source.

In any event Eldarion can't have been born much before Fourth Age 1.

This gives an age range for him of from 177 to 220 (or slightly more). Since Aragorn lived to 210 (and since LotR wikia has proven to be an unreliable source in the past), I'd personally incline towards the high end of this range.

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Elves and Men have different fates. The souls of Elves are bound to Arda so that even if their bodies are destroyed they can come back in another body. Men are not bound to the earth which is why they are known to the Elves as "the visitors".

Elrond is called half-Elven but he is 100% elf, just as his brother Elros was also half-Elven but 100% Man. In Note 1 to The Line of Elros there's this part:

Elros was granted a peculiar longevity (he lived to 500 years), and it is said here that he and his brother Elrond were not differently endowed in the physical potential of life, but that since Elros elected to remain among the kindred of Men he retained the chief characteristic of Men as opposed to the Quendi: the "seeking else-wither," as the Eldar called it. the "weariness" or desire to depart from the world.

When Arwen made her choice, chose her fate, she became part of the kindred of Men. There is no way her fate will mimic that of an Elf, because she is mankind now. I would assume that her son would probably live like most of Aragorn's forebears did, between 155-160 years of age. The life-span of the Dúnedain continued to wither in Middle-earth.

Until Aragorn it had been about 1000 years since any Dúnedan lived to at least 200 years. The last to do so in Gondor as recorded in the Annals was king Calimehtar, and in Arnor the last was Malvegil which was about 1700 years prior to the War of the Ring.

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I would expect Eldarion to live close to 500 years like the kings of old. As Arwen had a choice to be elvish or mortal, the line of her decendants should be about the same as Elros' first decendants (possibly a bit shorter as Aragorn only lived to be about 210)

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We have no real precedent for predicted lifespan for this situation. Dior the son of Beren Erchamion and Luthien died an early death in Menegroth. Earendil the Mariner son Tuor of the House of Hador and Idril of Gondolin was granted immortality to sail the Heavens with the last Silmaril on his brow. Eldarion is the only child of Man and Elf to live out his days.

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    Actually so did Galador who lived to 125. – user8719 Dec 31 '14 at 0:27
  • Can we prove the bloodline of Galador is of the the line of Elros or of the Free People of the Havens of Sirion? If he hails from Elros then his bloodline has already been joined to the elves. – Omar Devon Little Dec 31 '14 at 0:43
  • Whether he's of the line of Elros hardly seems relevant. He's the son of a Man (Imrazor the Numenorean) and an Elf (Mithrellas) who lived out his days, and he seems to have lived for a pretty standard Numenorean lifespan for that time. Having Elf blood isn't what gives a long lifespan. See also scifi.stackexchange.com/a/76358/8719 – user8719 Dec 31 '14 at 0:50
  • I have just realized I am contradicting myself. It was my point that Beren was of the House of Beor with no prior complications of elven blood likewise with Earendil. However! Aragorn is already of the line of Elros! I was going to delete my answer but I should actually just leave it to the wrath of down voters owing to my lack of research. Let it be known that except in rare cases I answer of the top of my head with next to no referencing. This is supposed to be fun... Right? – Omar Devon Little Dec 31 '14 at 1:49
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Eldarion and his siblings embodies the long sundered branches of the half-elven, as Aragorn and Arwen are both descendants of the ancient bloodline of the earliest unions between men and the eldar (Beren-Luthien, Tuor-Idril), thru Luthien, both Aragorn and Arwen inherited Maiarin blood thru Melian of the race of the Ainur. Eldarion, being at an odd mixture of all these races, it is expected that he will have a very long life perhaps to match that of Elros Tar-Minyatur of Numenor, but for me if Arwen delayed her choice of race, perhaps her children will be accounted as part of the half-elven, but dying mortal means her children will have to accept the doom of men though they have been given indefinite life-spans as children with the blood of the mightiest of the eldar and of the high race of the god-like Maiar both of the immortal beings of Arda.

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    Aragorn and Arwen’s children are mortal, though. See the other answers. – Adamant Oct 15 '16 at 1:57
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Eldarion would have live at least for 200 years as he was the son Aragorn who also lived for almost 210 years. Eldarion's life expectancy may vary around 200. It would definitely not have been 500 years as that of Elros because Arwen became a mortal woman when she bore King Elessar his son and was no longer an Elf.

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