"As Neanderthals are to humans, so the Turok-Han are to vampires."

So says Giles in Season 7 of Buffy. I'm wondering, do we have a timeline on the Turok-Han's presence on the Earth? Actual Neanderthals disappeared around 40,000 years ago while the First Slayer seems much more recent (the Shadow Men who created her were wearing woven clothes, for example, and weaving is only 10,000 years old or so). But then, it seems clear that Giles was making an analogy, rather than an attempt to actually date the Turok-Han era.

I've watched Buffy and Angel from start to finish, but I have no experience with the comics or other tie-ins. Do we know if the First Slayer fought Turok-Han, rather than "normal" vampires?

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To the best of my knowledge, your question is not answered in any canon source. Obviously I may be missing something, and I haven't read season 10 of the comics, but here's what I know.

The only depiction I could find of the actual first slayer (as opposed to a spirit or illusion) fighting anything is in the comic book Tales of the Slayers. She appears in the beginning fighting (and slaying) a vampire. This could possibly be a Turok-Han - it's not possible to tell from the illustration. She refers to it only as "the beast", while the girl she speaks with afterwards refers to her as fighting "the vampires".

However, as this was published in 2001 (season 5 was 2000 - 2001) while the Turok-Han was only first mentioned in season 7, I doubt the Turok-Han had even been conceived of when this comic was written. (Not that retcons are out of the question.)

Beyond this, I can only speculate based on what little evidence we have.

Here is Giles' full quote:

Uh, what you fought was a vampire, but it was, um, something more than that. It was a-- a Turok-Han. As Neanderthals are to human beings, the Turok-Han are to vampires. They're primordial, ferociously powerful killing machine, as single-minded as animals. They are the vampires that vampires fear. An ancient and entirely different race. And until this morning, I thought they were a myth.

No Turok-Han have been seen in long enough time that Giles believes they are a myth. So presumably there is no first-hand written account in the Watchers Council records. However, the first slayer predates the Watchers Council, and possibly written language - or at least, maybe the shadow men didn't keep written records or they were lost. "Primordial" does suggest prehistoric to me, though that may be poetic license.

The episode the first slayer first appears in is called "Primeval", which suggests she is similarly ancient, but these are vague descriptions.

Comic Vine's description of "the primitive" (as the first slayer may be referred to) states she lived around 5000 years ago, which would put her in the bronze age. However, I don't know what their source for that is and wouldn't rely on it.

I'm going to venture into hypothetical territory and guess the Turok-Han disappeared from the earth around the same time many of the other demons did. Given their feral and vicious nature, they probably couldn't hide among humans the way modern vampires do - I would speculate this is why they didn't survive on earth to the current day. Perhaps the slayers themselves contributed greatly to the extinction of the Turok-Han.

Assuming my hypothesis is correct, and given the demons had (presumably) not been driven from the earth (or into hiding) when the slayer was created, it is likely there were still Turok-Han roaming the earth during the time of the first slayer. In which case it seems likely to me she would have fought one at some point.

Even if she did fight Turok-Han, it is possible modern vampires existed at the time as well. No way to know for sure.

One counterpoint is in the episode "Get It Done" (S7E15), when Buffy meets the shadow men. They show her a vision of the Turok-Han beneath the hellmouth. It is possible they were already there at the time of the shadow men. However, the shadow men may simply have had some ability to see the future (as the slayer does). I think the latter is more likely. I'm not even sure Buffy was actually transported to the past - it could have been some other dimension.

  • This was a very nicely researched answer. You definitely have my upvote.
    – FuzzyBoots
    Sep 20, 2015 at 4:37

Turok-Han are the original vampires which are stronger and more resistant than the ordinary vampires. Giles explain that when the world was reorganized for the human ones, the Turok-Han last to leave the ground would have bitten human and thus created a new race of vampires. It seems Turok-Han and humans coexist at some point; then we can imagine that the First Slayer fought Turok-Han.

  • But the Slayer isn't as old as humanity. Do you have any evidence that, by the time the First Slayer was created, the Turok-Han were still around?
    – Nerrolken
    Sep 9, 2015 at 20:20
  • ...hum...indeed! I will try to seek the information.
    – Nathou
    Sep 9, 2015 at 20:27

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