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We know that before the story of ASOIAF begins, Robert's Rebellion has toppled the Targaryen Dynasty and crowned Robert of House Baratheon to sit on the Iron Throne.

Stannis is described (more so in the books than in the tv-series) as having a strong sense of justice. He even killed his younger brother Renly because he felt it was just and right for himself to become king over his younger brother. It also goes to show family loyalty isn't high on his values but more likely, he sees family loyalty as a just and right thing to do, unless there is a more just and right thing.

So my question is Why did Stannis join the rebellion?

Should he not have sided with the Targaryen because they were the rightful rulers of Westeros? Even if he believed what Aerys II Targaryen (the Mad King) did to trigger the Rebellion was unjust, would he not have still supported Prince Rhaegar? Or is it more important to stay loyal to his elder brother?

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    stannis is a stickler for the rules, which is why he killed his brother, because by rights it was stannis who should be king according to the rules. However, as a king you have to follow rules as well, and when the Mad King killed off multiple high lords for no reason, that's typically construed as breaking the rules a king has to follow.He probably would have consented for Ragdar to be king, had Radgar opposed his father. – Himarm Sep 22 '15 at 20:40
  • @Himarm but if he killed his brother that is breaking the rules too? according to your logic – EdmundYeung99 Sep 22 '15 at 20:43
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    no, as a king you can kill your brother, if your brother broke the rules, which he did... killing for no reason isnt allowed, killing after a crime is commited. – Himarm Sep 22 '15 at 20:44
  • the Mad King had a reason for killing, he killed those he viewed as traitors, e.g. Brandon Stark – EdmundYeung99 Sep 22 '15 at 20:48
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    @Himarm Rhaegar – KutuluMike Sep 22 '15 at 20:48
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Ser Davos actually asks Stannis this question directly.

“It is every man’s duty to remain loyal to his rightful king, even if the lord he serves proves false,” Stannis declared in a tone that brooked no argument.

A desperate folly took hold of Davos, a recklessness akin to madness. “As you remained loyal to King Aerys when your brother raised his banners?” he blurted...

“Aerys, If you only knew... that was a hard choosing. My blood or my liege. My brother or my king.” He grimaced. “Have you ever seen the Iron Throne? The barbs along the back, the ribbons of twisted steel, the jagged ends of swords and knives all tangled up and melted? It is not a comfortable seat, ser. Aerys cut himself so often men took to calling him King Scab, and Maegor the Cruel was murdered in that chair. By that chair, to hear some tell it. It is not a seat where a man can rest at ease. Ofttimes I wonder why my brothers wanted it so desperately.”

As you can see, he kind of trails off towards the end. But if we assume that his musing on the difficulty of ruling, Maegor's murder, and Aerys' incompetence wasn't random, I think it gives us our answer.

Stannis chose Robert because he believed, first and foremost, that his duty was to the realm. Aerys insanity and paranoia tore the realm apart by murdering lords on a whim and demanding Ned and Robert's heads. His brother was a strong charismatic young man who commanded the loyalty of all who met him. In Stannis' reckoning, his oaths to Robert and Aerys equaled out, but it was Robert who was best-suited to weather the hardness of the Iron Throne.

Keep in mind, Stannis says several times that he does not even want the Iron Throne. The reason he wages his war is he believes that the Others will soon attack the realm, and he is the only one who can lead the Seven Kingdoms to victory. If Stannis is willing to entertain kinslaying and black magic the good of the realm, is defying a Mad King for the same reason so dishonorable?

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    good answer, but I'm not sure his motivation was his duty to the realm, and fighting the Others, as he only realized this much later (after Blackwater) – EdmundYeung99 Sep 22 '15 at 22:31
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    @EdmundYeung99: Yes, Stannis followed Robert out of family loyalty. Also, Robert's Rebellion took place about 15 years before the events of the books, when Stannis was in his early twenties. The Stannis who goes to war against Renly is older, more sure of himself, and bitter from (as he sees it) years of being sidelined by Robert. – Royal Canadian Bandit Sep 23 '15 at 8:24
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I'm not sure if Stannis has even given any explicit reason why he joined the rebellion, but I think it's easy enough to figure out why. At that point in his life, his sense of duty would almost have demanded it, for two reasons:

First, Robert was not only his older brother, but Lord of the House, and the person Stannis was most directly responsible to. It was his brothers place to decide the political course for his House, and Stannis' place to obey him. So, if Robert decided that House Baratheon was going to rebel, Stannis would have been hard pressed to justify not going along with it.

Second, all Stannis really did during the rebellion was defend Storm's End. At that point, he was part of the rebellion whether he wanted to be or not. His duty to his house and the people living in Storm's End would have driven him to defend their home against the Tyrells, regardless of Stannis's personal feelings, because the alternative would have been the death of many innocent people.

As far as his willingness to order Renly's death, keep in mind that by this time, Stannis had seen his life take a number of bad turns since the rebellion. Most importantly, he always felt that Robert cheated him out of Storm's End by giving it to Renly, and leaving Stannis with Dragonstone. Beyond that, his failure to produce a male heir, the problems with his daughter and his wife, and the influencne of Melisandre on him all contributed to him not being in the most rational frame of mind. When Renly chose to claim the crown, that likely pushed Stannis over the edge.

In other words: Stannis' loyalty to his older brother making a claim against what he felt was an unjust king is a far different thing that Stannis' loyalty to his younger brother that he already felt robbed him of his inheritance and was trying to do it again.

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    good answer. Stannis says that it is every man's duty to stay loyal to his true king, but Davos points out that he betrayed Aerys. So I'm wondering what kind of things he had to weigh in order to make his decision. – EdmundYeung99 Sep 22 '15 at 20:55
  • Davos is technically correct, and who knows, maybe at the time Stannis did disagree with his brother. I think the key is, there wasn't much he could do about it and not appear disloyal in a much worse way. – KutuluMike Sep 22 '15 at 21:23
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I got the impression Stannis didn't have much of a choice in the matter. Robert started the rebellion when the Mad King killed Rickard and Brandon Stark, as Robert went off to war he left Stannis to guard the home-front. Stannis took almost no aggressive action during the war and instead spent most of his time defending himself during the siege of Storms End. Given that he is a prideful man, he would have not surrendered during the siege.

  • a number of minor houses who's liege lord joined the rebellion declared to stay loyal, which Stannis could have done – EdmundYeung99 Sep 22 '15 at 20:51
  • @EdmundYeung99 He could have, but that would have required him to betray his family. I can see it reasoned both ways for Stannis; he would be willing to betray his family if he felt it was the right thing, but it could also go the other way. – onewho Sep 22 '15 at 20:55
  • @EdmundYeung99 That's a bit different; Stannis wasn't Lord of anything at the time; he was the heir to House Baratheon... – KutuluMike Sep 22 '15 at 21:24

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