Is Minas Tirith of Gondor modelled after the great Noldorin city of Gondolin? Because they definitely look alike, except I'm guessing Gondolin would be 10 times bigger.

  • I remember in one of the documentaries on the extended edition DVD's of the Peter Jackson LotR movies, they talked about this exact same question; how Minas Tirith was so similar to Gondolin. "Gondor" and "Gondolin" have the same root in the Elvish language. There are a lot of similarities like this in the books and it is on purpose. Not only places are similar, but people as well. It gives the idea of "history repeats itself". The Silmarillion is just on a bigger scale than LotR.
    – Dennis_E
    Oct 23, 2015 at 8:29

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It seems Tolkien said little about the structure of Gondolin. Indeed, according to this answer, the only city described in detail in Tolkien's works is Minas Tirith.

However, from Wikipedia we have the following description of Gondolin. The only concrete link I've found to the structure of Minas Tirith is its seven gates.

Within the Echoriath, the Encircling Mountains, lay a round level plain with sheer walls on all sides and a ravine and tunnel leading out to the southwest known as the Hidden Way. In the middle of the vale there was a steep hill which was called Amon Gwareth, the "Hill of Watch". There Turgon decided to found a city [Gondolin], designed after the city of Tirion in Valinor that the Noldor had left.


The Hidden Pass was protected by seven gates, all constantly guarded; the first of wood, then stone, bronze, iron, silver, gold, and steel.

Which is reminiscent of the following description of Minas Tirith:

For the fashion of Minas Tirith was such that it was built on seven levels, each delved into the hill, and about each was set a wall, and in each was a gate. But the gates were not set in a line: the Great Gate in the City wall was at the east point of the circuit, but the next faced half south, and the third half north, and so to and fro upwards; so the paved way that climbed toward the citadel turned this way and that and then that across the face of the hill.
-- The Return of the King, Chapter 1: Minas Tirith

  • Uhm.. What's "half north"?
    – Junuxx
    Oct 2, 2015 at 2:32
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    @Junuxx "Halfway towards the north", or north east in this case. Oct 2, 2015 at 7:00
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    I disagree that the answer says the only city Tolkien explicitly described, but rather the only city he explicitly relates to a real-world city. The Book of Lost Tales version of Gondolin has lots of details, but not necessarily a complete overall layout. Feb 12, 2023 at 8:08

Minas Tirith had seven (big and main) gates in seven concentric walls around the center of the city.

Gondolin apparently had only one main wall, and the seven gates were sequential gates within the narrow pass which lead through the mountains into the hidden valley where Gondolin was. The seven gates were not actually parts of the hidden CITY of Gondolin but were on the border of the hidden KINGDOM of Gondolin.

The city of Gondolin was built on a relatively level hilltop and had many small and large streets and courts. Minas Tirith had seven different concentric levels and each level had one main concentric street and many smaller radial streets or alleys.

There were a number of similarities. Gondolin and Minas Tirith were both on hills. The royal palace at the center of Gondolin included or was next to the Tower of Turgon. The royal palace at the center of the central circle of Minas Tirith included or was next to the White Tower or Tower of Ecthelion. The Tower of Ecthelion by the Court of the Fountain in Minas Tirith was named after a Steward of Gondor who in turn was ultimately named after Ecthelion of the Fountain, who died fighting a Balrog in the fountain in the court before the royal palace in Gondolin.

So in some ways Minas Tirith was designed as an imitation of Gondolin. Minas Tirith was also sort of a cheaper imitation of Osgiliath, the original capital of Gondor, which in turn was partially a cheap imitation of the capital city of Numenor, which in turn was partially a cheap imitation of Gondolin, which in turn was partially a cheap imitation of Tiron.


Gondolin was a hidden city underground probably inside a mountain or so while gondor was built into the mountain side so after gondolins fall the remenantes of gondolin could have been used to build gondor

  • Is Minas Tirith modelled on Gondolin, though? That's the question being asked here. It's also best to base your case as much as possible on canonical evidence, rather than speculating about things that could have happened, but for which there's no evidence. Feb 12, 2023 at 0:25
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    Gondolin was not underground or inside of a mountain. Also it was destroyed a good 3000 or so years before Minas Tirith was constructed, and was around 1,000 miles away geographically, with the entire landmass that it was on literally sunk underwater. This answer isn't just irrelevant here, it's entirely wrong.
    – ibid
    Feb 12, 2023 at 3:53
  • The Númenóreans must have had good undersea recovery teams, then, to retrieve the remnants of Gondolin, a long way off the coast of Lindon where Beleriand used to be... (but were you thinking of Nargothrond or Menegroth instead? Unfortunately, Dame problem!) Feb 12, 2023 at 8:01

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