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Palpatine tempted Anakin with ways to save loved ones from death, but for that to be effective he must first know of Anakin's vision. How did he learn of it? I have doubts on whether Anakin had told Palpatine of it himself. Anakin knew his marriage is forbidden by the Jedi code, so he did not share the vision with even Obi-Wan, going directly to Yoda - the perceived wisest of the order especially in matters of visions and the Force - out of sheer desperation to protect Padme. He did not tell Palpatine about his marriage (Palpatine learnt of it from an informant) so I doubt he would consult someone who is at that point still portraying himself as a non-Force-wielder.

The only way, to my eyes, for Anakin to tell Palpatine about the vision is if Palpatine first displays a relevant, applicable knowledge of the Force - assumed here to be knowledge of saving one from death - but the only way Palpatine would deem it useful to reveal such knowledge in tempting Anakin while risking revealing too much about himself would be if he knows of Anakin's vision first. A circular logic here. What gives?

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    My theory has always been that Palpatine planted the vision, but I don't have any sources to back it up or I'd post it as an answer! – Mark Oct 20 '15 at 18:52
  • Agreed, I always thought that as well. Either that, or Palpatine was able to sense it by reading his mind. But given the catch-22 around the death of Padme being caused by Anikan's fall to the dark side, in turn caused by fear of Padme's death (a paradox), I feel it's more likely that Palpatine created the vision in Anikan's mind to act as a catalyst to the chain of events. – Brandon Dec 31 '15 at 17:38
  • @Brandon In the real world, your logic would make sense, but this is Star Wars, and as they always say, the Force works in mysterious ways... – thegreatjedi Jan 1 '16 at 9:23
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Edits because I found my copy of the novelization of 'Revenge of the Sith'.

First like my original post Palpatine frequently meeting with informally Anakin before the his vision. Superficially to have an unofficial back channel to the Jedi. Though almost certainly because Palpatine wanted to influence Anakin for his own purposes. There is a mention that Palpatine had attempted to give many lessons to Anakin on politics during their meetings.

In the novelization he never actually tells Palpatine about his vision. He does tell Padme though. The novel also doesn't give any clear answer about how Palpatine knows, or chose what to say during the meeting with Anakin.

I think we are left with a couple possibilities about what happened.

  • Palpatine had Anakin/Padme bugged, and picked up on the conversation.
  • Palpatine didn't actually know about the vision at all, he sense Anakin's unease and he was somehow motivated by the force to tell Anakin about Darth Plagueis.
  • I am pretty sure that Obi-Wan even alludes to these during Episode III, mentioning the...I want to say 'unnatural' relationship between Anakin and Palpatine. – Mark Oct 20 '15 at 18:52
  • That may be so, but you haven't answered how Palpatine comes to know of Anakin's vision. Palpatine is a man of choice words. Nothing he says, especially anything associated with his master plan, is without purpose or perfect timing. I highly doubt he just happened to mention cheating death when Anakin needed to hear it most. – thegreatjedi Oct 20 '15 at 23:58
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Palpatine adds 2+2 together and comes up (unsurprisingly) with 4.

We know from the film's official novelisation that Palpatine is very well aware of Anakin's marriage to Padmé

“Anakin, Padme was my Queen; I was her ambassador to the Senate. Naboo is my home. You of all people know how I value loyalty and friendship; do you think I have no friends among the civil clergy in Theed? Your secret ceremony has never been secret. Not from me, at any rate. I have always been very happy for you both.” - Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith - Official Novelisation

During the squid ballet scene, Palpatine then tempts Anakin with a range of things; Political power (which bores him), greater knowledge of the Force (which he's only mildly interested in) and finally the ability to extend his own life. During this conversation, the conversation takes an odd turn and Anakin reveals his true desire. Rather than showing an interest in his own mortality, Anakin wants to know about the ability to extend the life of a loved one.

"It’s a Sith legend, of a Dark Lord who had turned his sight inward so deeply that he had come to comprehend, and master life itself. And-because the two are one, when seen clearly enough-death itself.” Anakin sat up. Was he actually hearing this? “He could keep someone safe from death?”

At that point, Palpatine has Anakin pegged. He's clearly very concerned about his wife dying. Given her young age and Anakin's proclivity with the Force, it's reasonably likely that this relates to a Force vision rather than general paranoia.

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    Oh yeah, and he can read minds. But that's just cheating. – Valorum Mar 3 '16 at 17:52
  • Although, the mind reading thing is the most likely explanation. Anakin is obviously very concerned and emotionally invested. He's also sitting next to what he thinks is a politician, so he's not exactly guarding his thoughts and emotions. While this is conjecture on my part, it's probably trivial for a Sith Lord as powerful as Sidious to pluck those thoughts from Anakin's mind considering how strong they are and that Anakin was focusing on them in that moment. – Ellesedil Mar 3 '16 at 18:21
  • @Ellesedil - Actually, I was assuming that an attempt to read Anakin's (tiny) mind could result in Anakin noticing, so Palpatine probably kept it verbal. – Valorum Mar 3 '16 at 18:51
  • @Richard the squid ballet scene you mentioned intrigues me. Did Palpatine really probe Anakin's weaknesses there? Can you quote me from that scene? I'd like to know how that went down in the novelisation. Perhaps it'll help shed light on the theory that Palpatine merely deduced Anakin's needs – thegreatjedi Mar 4 '16 at 1:32
  • @thegreatjedi - Do you remember,” Palpatine said, drawing away from Anakin so that he could lean back comfortably in his seat, “how as a young boy, when you first came to this planet, I tried to teach you the ins and outs of politics?” Anakin smiled faintly. “I remember that I didn’t much care for the lessons.” “For any lessons, as I recall. – Valorum Mar 4 '16 at 7:14

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