In the episode Scarification (S02E05), Penguin mentions that Butch has been "conditioned", and is unable to refuse any order Penguin gives him.

Your conditioning is still working nicely, hmm? (snickers) You can't refuse me.

When, and how was Butch "conditioned" to the point that he is unable to defy Penguin?


He was "reprogrammed" by Victor Zsasz. Until middle of first season he was loyal to Fish but he was captured and tortured by Victor Zsasz on Penguin orders and therefore became loyal to Penguin. We can see his inner struggle at season finale when Penguin and Fish fought and he couldn't take sides. But since Penguin won and Fish was out of picture he remain loyal to him

  • Can you cite an episode, or explain how just torturing him made him loyal to the point that he is unable to defy him? Torturing someone is great for short-term results, but does not typically breed unconditional loyalty. – phantom42 Oct 21 '15 at 13:48
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    It was never shown or explained how he tortured him but in episode 13 of season 1 Butch helped Fish escape Zsasz and his henchwomen and than getting shot in knee. Last scene was Zsasz standing over Butch. Next time we saw him he was reformed – Vanja Vasiljevic Oct 21 '15 at 13:54
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    This being Zsasz it can assumed to involve a knife or two – IG_42 Oct 21 '15 at 15:24
  • One correction: he wasn't reprogrammed on Penguin's orders but on Falcone's orders. @IG_42 in the first season Zsasz doesn't use knives all that much which is odd for the character. – kaine Oct 21 '15 at 16:41
  • Having only really seen him in the Arkham games i found it odd enough that he was fully clothed and capable of holding a conversation – IG_42 Oct 21 '15 at 16:48

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