In Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, when at Number 4, Privet Drive, to fetch Harry Potter, the Advance Guard used magic (specifically Lumos, Locomotor and an unnamed charm used by Tonks to pack Harry's trunk).

If, in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets, the Hover charm by Dobby was detected, and Harry was recently almost expelled from Hogwarts, why were these spells not detected and prosecuted for?

It appears that the Ministry cannot seem to detect who performed spells (see Dobby's Hover charm).

Also, Fudge wanted reasons to expel or discredit Harry at the time; he would have eagerly taken up this opportunity.

  • How do you know the Ministry didn't detect the magic?
    – Möoz
    Oct 31, 2015 at 9:08
  • @Mooz These charges would have been pressed against Harry during his trial for the using of the Patronus charm. And he would have gotten owls.
    – gone
    Oct 31, 2015 at 11:16
  • @BharadwajRaju Ministry can detect magic performed by underage wizards in Muggle homes.
    – Vishvesh
    Oct 31, 2015 at 16:21

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There were adult wizards around at the point when this magic was performed.

Most probably the ministry is able to detect that there are also other wizards around the one who has the Trace. Else they will get lots of false positives from boys and girls living (and traveling) with their wizard parents.

If the ministry would start an investigation then there will be like 5+ witnesses (some of them aurors) who will confirm that Harry did no magic.

In both cases when Harry was detected and prosecuted there was no adult wizard around. Most probably the detection mechanism does not consider house elves - they are generally overlooked by wizards.

This also raises the question would someone living in a house where there are House Elves be prosecuted if he/she is alone and some elf does some magic. Most probably the ministry also has a list of locations where lots of magic is expected to happen - Malfoy Manor for example - and they ignore signals from the Trace if they come from such places. This would be more or less enough to cover the most "House Elves" false positives since they rarely leave their houses (with Dobby being an exception).

Note that the Ministry is usually extremely low on resources and (usually) government clerks are lazy. So they need to have lots of "tricks" else they'll have to run around like crazy on false signals.

  • This is absolutely a great answer. Especially the point about false positives from children living with adults, in my opinion. The Trace is probably most useful in cases where there are no full-grown wizards around. Otherwise, there'd be too much noise to tell who did magic. Oct 31, 2015 at 21:09
  • Also when the order used magic in the house, Dursley's weren't at home.
    – Batuhan
    Nov 6, 2015 at 1:13

The Ministry of magic would have detected that magic was performed at Number 4, Privet Drive. This is based on Harry's conversation with Albus Dumbledore.

“But how come the Ministry didn’t realize that Voldemort had done all that to Morfin?” Harry asked angrily “He was underage at the time, wasn’t he? I thought they could detect underage magic!”

“You are quite right — they can detect magic, but not the perpetrator: You will remember that you were blamed by the Ministry for the Hover Charm that was, in fact, cast by —”

“Dobby,” growled Harry; this injustice still rankled. “So if you’re underage and you do magic inside an adult witch or wizard’s house, the Ministry won’t know?”

“They will certainly be unable to tell who performed the magic,” said Dumbledore, smiling slightly at the look of great indignation on Harrys face. “They rely on witch and wizard parents to enforce their offspring’s obedience while within their walls.”

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince, Chapter 17, A Sluggish Memory

Based on this we can assume that Ministry knows that magic was performed at Number 4, Privet Drive and they (Ministry) cannot detect who performed the magic. And since this matter was not raised during Harry's disciplinary hearing, we can come to one of the following conclusion.

1. Ministry was informed:

May be Dumbledore or somebody else from the Order of the Phoenix had informed the Ministry after moving Harry to Headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix.

2. Ministry decided to let it go:

Ministry of magic does not enforce the rule strictly. Harry was not suspended for blowing up Marjorie Dursley.

“I - not - I haven’t got time to listen to house-elves! Anyway, that’s not the only - he blew up his aunt, for God’s sake!” Fudge shouted, banging his fist on the judge’s bench and upsetting a bottle of ink.

“And you very kindly did not press charges on that occasion, accepting, I presume, that even the best wizards cannot always control their emotions,” said Dumbledore calmly, as Fudge attempted to scrub the ink off his notes.

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 8, The Hearing

Since Cornelius Fudge was desperate to get Harry expelled. I find it hard to believe that he did not rake up the issue of magic being performed in Number 4, Privet Drive.

“The Ministry does not have the power to expel Hogwarts students, Cornelius, as I reminded you on the night of the second of August,” said Dumbledore. “Nor does it have the right to confiscate wands until charges have been successfully proven; again, as I reminded you on the night of the second of August. In your admirable haste to ensure that the law is upheld, you appear, inadvertently I am sure, to have overlooked a few laws yourself.”

“Laws can be changed,” said Fudge savagely.

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, Chapter 8, The Hearing

So logically speaking somebody from the Order of the Phoenix had informed Ministry of magic.


Adult wizards can block the ministry from detecting magic being performed. So, the advance guard, not wanting to alert anyone in the ministry what they were up to, did just that so magic wouldn't be detected at Number 4 Privet Drive in order to secretly move Harry.

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    Hi, welcome to SF&F. Do you have any evidence that wizards can hide magic from the Ministry? If so, why wouldn't an underage student be able to learn that spell? This seems a lot more complicated than the previous explanations, so you really should supply some evidence in favour of it.
    – DavidW
    Jul 22, 2022 at 13:58

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