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A spoiler follows.

I saw the Italian version of Star Wars: The Force Awakens and:

Kylo Ren says “Nonno” while talking to the Darth Vader’s mask. “Nonno” is an Italian word that translates to “Grandpa”.

It seems to me an unsuitable term for that scene, as it’s a little childish.

What does he say in the original English version? What about other language versions?

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    Because one would expect a child to use that word.. – frant.hartm Dec 17 '15 at 19:29
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    @DVK the connotation that it's a childish term. – Alessandro Jacopson Dec 17 '15 at 20:48
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    Alessandro - given some... gems... of translation that I have heard in Russian versions of films, this seems entirely not a big problem. – DVK-on-Ahch-To Dec 17 '15 at 20:56
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    FWIW, you say that a child would use that word. But the character who used it seemed to act like a petulant child/baby in many scenes. There was very little subtlety in his character so I believe it might sounds “ham fisted” but might ultimately be the best way to use that word for that meaning in a J.J. Abrams film. – JakeGould Dec 18 '15 at 6:43
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    There doesn't seem to be a more "formal" version of the word in Italian that does not bare the same childish connotation, so it is the best possible direct translation. frant.hartm's answer below is accurate, the English word used does not have the same connotation attached to it. That said, most translations online actually do specify the English meaning to be the more formal, non-childish version. Is there another translation that would have more closely matched? – vynsane Dec 18 '15 at 17:03
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What is actually said in the original (English) has very similar meaning:

“Grandfather”

However, it does not have particularly childish connotations.

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MAJOR SPOILER ALERT

According to the plot information available on Wikipedia:

Kylo Ren is the son of Han Solo. Presumably the mother was Leia Organa, who was the daughter of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader... ergo Darth Vader is Kylo Ren's maternal grandfather. So the English usage is appropriate, maybe it just loses something in the translation to Italian.

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    It's not presumably. (SPOILERS ahead:) Han and Leia both talk about how Ren (Ben Solo) is their child, and there's the confrontation between Han and Ken where they, once again, talk about their father/son relationship. The interrogation scene of Rey was also an hint. – Oak Dec 30 '15 at 18:33
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Official confirmation from WGA leaked script confirms "Grandfather":

KYLO REN
Forgive me. I feel it again. The pull to the light. Supreme Leader senses it.
Show me again, the power of the darkness, and I will let nothing stand in our way.
Show me, Grandfather, and I will finish what you started.

Alan Dean Foster novelization also confirms that this was basically simply a fluke of Italian translation - there's no childish "grandpa", there's only "Grandfather":

The alcove where Kylo Ren was kneeling and speaking was darker than the rest of the adjoining chambers. He kept it deliberately so, as seemed appropriate for its function. He spoke now in a tone different from the one he usually employed when conversing with others. There were no orders to be issued here, no pathetic underlings to command. The one with whom he was presently communing would understand everything Ren chose to say, in whatever voice he chose to employ. No need here and now for intimidation, for fear. Kylo Ren spoke, and the object of his words listened in silence.
“Forgive me. I feel it again. The pull to the light. The Supreme Leader senses it. Show me again the power of the darkness, and I will let nothing stand in our way.”
Alone in the room, Kylo Ren—saturnine of aspect, lithe of build, tortured of mien, and troubled of eye—gazed at the silent recipient of his confession. “Show me, Grandfather, and I will finish what you started.”
Trembling slightly, he rose from where he had been kneeling and strode off to another portion of his private quarters. There was no response from the one to whom he had been talking: neither argument nor agreement. Only silence from the shape that had been the object of Ren’s fervor: a ghostly, deformed mask that had once belonged to another. To a figure of rumor and legend and fear. Misshapen and malformed as it was, no one who had once laid eyes upon the countenance that had belonged to Darth Vader would ever forget it.

However, it does have some contextual aspect of a child or at least a junior apprentice addressing a senior figure, so perhaps the Italian translation wasn't as far off the mark as it seemed.

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