I haven't finished my re-read of the Lord of the Rings trilogy (I just finished The Two Towers), but, at least in the movies, Samwise Gamgee consistently refers to Frodo Baggins as "Mr. Frodo."

Why is this?

I noticed that Merry and Pippin call Frodo and Sam by their first names only, and vice versa, so why is Frodo bestowed with the formality of being called "Mr. Frodo"?

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    One of the more negative aspects of LOTR, at least according to Isaac Asimov, is that LOTR's hobbit society glorifies the old English peasant/master relationship that Tolkien feels nostalgia for. It's kind of abhorrent in a way.Asimov in the same essay takes issue with Tolkien's negative view of Saruman's use of technology in his war machine.Mocking Tolkien's hatred for industrial technology that ultimately freed the western world from the Peasant/Master relationship. Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 20:51
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    Ursula LeGuin is said to have remarked that hearing Sam address Frodo that way so many times made her feel like founding the Shire Socialist Party.
    – Beta
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 22:20
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    Of course, Britain today does not have the servant class anymore, so Ursula should be happy. All of those people are now working at her local McDonalds, on a pittance. Vive La Revolution! Commented Feb 16, 2012 at 13:54
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    8 years later and the Yahoo! Groups has gone the way of the dodo. This seems to be what I assume is the same essay: issuu.com/luisi.gallardo/docs/the_ring_of_evil_-_isaac_asimov Commented Apr 19, 2020 at 23:08
  • @AaronD.Marasco Yahoo Groups is, amazingly, still around, and that particular group still exists - you just probably need to join it to be able to see its archived posts.
    – Prometheus
    Commented Jun 26, 2020 at 18:34

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There are some good answers here already, but some of the comments betray an unfamiliarity with the social system that Tolkien was portraying in the Shire.

The Shire is very specifically based on the rural English Midlands of the late 19th century that existed, although already starting to disappear, when Tolkien was growing up. In that society, there was a very clear distinction between the different classes. Frodo represents the landed gentry - not actually aristocracy, but powerful and influential as a result of owning large amounts of land. It's not made explicit, but as owner of Bag End he was almost certainly also the owner of much of the land about. The Gamgees may well have been his tenants.

Meanwhile, Sam is very much of the servant class. If you've seen the TV series Downton Abbey, for example, you can picture the sort of character he's meant to represent. Being "in service" was regarded at that time as a very good occupation for someone like Sam. He became very close to Frodo, and devoted to him, but the relationship was never one of equals. Sam would never have dreamed of referring to Frodo without the honorific.

Even Faramir, from a completely different society, recognizes this relationship, and tells Sam:

"Patience!" said Faramir, but without anger. "Do not speak before your master, whose wit is greater than yours."

The Lord of the Rings - Book IV: Chapter V - The Window of the West

After Frodo sails from Middle-Earth at the end of the book, he leaves Bag End to Sam. At that point, Sam is himself propelled into the gentry: he becomes Mayor, and founds a dynasty of his own.

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    Additionally, the title Mr. Baggins already belongs to Mr. Bilbo Baggins, so it's only natural to come up with a different honorary reference for Frodo.
    – zzzzBov
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 20:21
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    Since Bilbo is still alive during LOTR, he's still Mr. Baggins. Frodo would only become Mr. Baggins with Bilbo's death... but since Frodo and Bilbo board the boat to Valinor together...
    – aramis
    Commented Feb 16, 2012 at 4:17
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    And it is important to understand that it is not an oppressive social hierarchy, as it is often portrayed especially in Dickens and the like. Sam had a chance to better himself, as he clearly did, and he learnt from Frodo how to be himself. Compared to the mines or the factories, being in service was a very good position if you did not have inherited wealth. Commented Feb 16, 2012 at 13:52
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    @SchroedingersCat - If you're referring to the comment about Downton Abbey, there was a pretty respectful vibe going on between the gentry and the workers. It's a good show -- I recommend it for those who like the Edwardian era. Commented Feb 16, 2012 at 19:25
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    @SchroedingersCat. It wasn't just Frodo who helped Sam to be himself (and to "better himself"). Bilbo taught him to read.
    – TRiG
    Commented Jan 24, 2017 at 20:12

Recall that Sam is Frodo's gardener, and he was the son of Hamfast (the old gaffer), Bilbo's gardener before him. He grew up being the son of, and then himself, a servant of Bilbo's and Frodo's, and so likely called them "Mr. Bilbo" ("Mr. Baggins"? possible but I doubt it) and "Mr. Frodo" all his life.

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    The Shire isn't quite as egalitarian as people would like to imagine, I think :)
    – Tacroy
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 17:02
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    Yep, especially the rich hermit.
    – Kevin
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 17:06
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    @dmckee Not at all. Frodo was about 20 years older than Sam, and was always his social superior. They were never "friends". Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 18:35
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    @DVK No, he's a crab
    – Kevin
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 18:43
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    @DanielRoseman Make that 12 years.
    – Daniel
    Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 19:40

One of the things that JRRT explains in his other books is that he tried to explore social interaction through the use of language. So the way that Sam addresses Frodo especially reflects the fact that Sam's role is subservient, and also his presence on the journey is under the sufferance of Elrond.

The phrasing is not intended to reflect modern-day servitude, as much as it is to acknowledge Sam knows his place in Hobbit society, that being, in this case, to look after Frodo. Sam's use of language ( which, remember, was translated from the Book of Westmarch ) reflects as much his accent as his style of talking. It is not unlike someone from the West Country; if you translate their language directly, it can sound subservient.

It is always worth remembering that Tolkien's motivating force was language, so wherever he uses language, he has good, clear, and usually historical reasons for doing so.

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    I recall from one of the many extended features on the movie disks that Tolkein was evoking the relationship of a gentleman officer to his batman (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_(military)) with Frodo and Sam. The relationship was typically a formal but very close one...this parallels the language here. Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 17:49
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    Yes @ChrisB.Behrens I had forgotten that. But I still think it goes a little further, as he was also Frodos servant when at home. And this is an established relationship over generations, so they are into a friendly but hierarchical relationship. Each has their place, but they cannot function without each other. Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 19:32
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    @Chris B. Behrens: Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na ... Samwise Gamgee!?! (sorry, couldn't resist ;)) Commented Feb 15, 2012 at 23:03

There is another relationship that Sam and Frodo represent - that of officer and enlisted man/batman that Tolkien would have been very familiar with. In England officers were usually upper-class and enlisted not, but the enlisted man had a wealth of experience that no good officer would overlook. And the batman would take care of the officer in a physical sense as well.

Think a young lieutenant talking with a veteran Sergeant. Sure, the Sgt. must salute the Lt, but the Lt would be a fool not to respect the Sgt. The officer tells the Sgt. what the goal is, and the Sgt. knows how to carry it out from there. Think of all the movies where John Wayne plays a Sgt. He's not just an underling. Both are playing important roles.

  • That analogy might be less than relevant here, considering that canon birthdates ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Arda#Third_Age ) would make Frodo 12 years more experienced...
    – C.B.
    Commented Nov 5, 2013 at 3:38
  • A batman would not ordinarily be "of rank"; he'd be a Lance Corporal (or equivalent) at most. Certainly, an officer (especially at the subaltern or lieutenant level) would lean heavily on the experience of grizzled non-commissioned officers, but he wouldn't have them lay out his dress of the day. Commented Oct 30, 2014 at 22:59
  • I recall reading this years ago but have no recollection as to the source. Does anyone recall any official/semi-official sources for this?
    – Jim2B
    Commented Mar 13, 2015 at 15:19
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    I can't recall now where, but I've read that Tolkien explicitly considered the whole officer/batman relationship when he wrote Sam and Frodo, recalling his experience in WWI. And he remarked that the batmen he knew were better men than the officers they served (of whom Tolkien was one).
    – peyre
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 4:04
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    @Jim2B This isn't where I saw it (can't remember) but this article - "Frodo's Batman" by Mark T Hooker ... muse.jhu.edu/journals/tolkien_studies/v001/1.1hooker.html discusses it in detail.
    – Oldcat
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 21:29

Frodo, Merry, and Pippin are all effectively landed gentry in the Shire, while Sam is just a servant / gardener. Such class distinctions were still quite prevalent in the early 20th century in Britain when the books were written.

  • I think Bilbo and Frodo are neuvo riche - made their money in trade - Merry and Pippin are landed gentry. Commented Jul 12, 2018 at 20:56

First of all, Sam was Frodo's gardener. Frodo kept the Ring hidden for 17 years (not in the movie). Sam grew to know his employer, respect him, and form a friendship. He valued Frodo and their friendship a lot, and looked after Frodo, considering himself Frodo's friend and guardian.

Sam is also a lot younger than Frodo, who is about 50 years of age in the book. Sam was born in 1380 of The Shire reckoning, while Frodo was born in 1368. Frodo looks young in the movie, but the ring makes the bearer stop aging (maybe the movies took this into consideration). Frodo stopped aging for 17 years while he kept the Ring hidden, similar to Bilbo.

The portrait of Sam in LOTR is of a young servant, inheriting his father's craft. Bilbo teaches Sam how to read and write. The position of Sam to the positions of Frodo, Merry and Pippin is not equal in Hobbit society, this is not portrayed in the movie.

The book also mentions Frodo, Merry, and Pippin being old friends, while Sam is not mentioned in that way until much later.

Quotes from the book:

As the years passed, Frodo seemed to stop aging and appeared at age 50 like a robust Hobbit just out of his tweens. Frodo was red-cheeked and rather stout, but taller and fairer than most Hobbits, with brown hair, bright eyes, and a cleft in his chin.

Sam had learned to read and write from Bilbo Baggins and he listened eagerly to Bilbo's tales about his adventures, particularly the ones about Elves.

  • I think this addresses another key aspect of their relationship: Frodo was Sam's teacher and a key influence on him growing up. Even when they're both adults, it seems natural for Sam to still refer to Frodo the way he did growing up. I now work with one of my high school teachers—I was rather close with her and did a lot of extracurriculars/projects with her, but didn't stay in touch much after graduating. Now, I refer to her by her first name, but when I'm not thinking about it, I default to calling her what I called her as a student (Dr. "Langston").
    – Aos Sidhe
    Commented Aug 8, 2023 at 21:07

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