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When Darth Vader - one of the best pilots and shooters in the Galaxy thanks to being a powerful Force user and Sith Lord - is hunting for rebel starfighters above Death Star in his Tie Advanced x1 fighter, why does he rely on his fighter's targeting system instead of The Force?

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Obviously, out of universe, showing the process of locking onto a target is good action movie visual. But was that retconned in-Universe?

  • The question was raised when discussing scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/11154/… – DVK-on-Ahch-To Feb 16 '12 at 12:04
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    A different question is why is the Tie Advanced targeting system so flipping primitive compared to X-Wing's? – DVK-on-Ahch-To Feb 16 '12 at 12:26
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    Large government buying lowest bid merchandise from contractors. – BBlake Feb 16 '12 at 13:35
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    @BBlake - while an amusing quip, if you bother reading Wookiepedia about Tie Advanced you'd see that it's 100% inapplicable – DVK-on-Ahch-To Feb 16 '12 at 14:27
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    I wasn't trying to be applicable. That's why it's a comment, and not an answer. – BBlake Feb 16 '12 at 15:55
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If he had been the younger version of himself with his limbs intact, he would not have needed a targeting computer. Not even against Luke. He did pod racing and flew a fighter straight into a Trade Federation ship while dodging a lot of enemy fire. He did all that while he was a kid with no Jedi training.

But when he is controlling his prosthetic limbs, no midichlorians are involved. As with any prosthetic, his motor nerve signals will be picked up by sensors in his stumps. Then they'll be converted to electrical impulses that drive the servos of his arms and hands. The same probably applies to his eye instruments, in reverse. They may not have the same acuity as his real eyes.

So he may have the reflexes of a Jedi/Sith, but his body is the bottleneck. He cannot use the Force to directly guide his eyes and hands. This is probably the same reason why both Obi-Wan and Luke lasted as long as they did against Vader during lightsaber duels (in ANH and ESB respectively).

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    hmmmm... i disagree. After all, if we take your argument to the next extreme, if he was "all human", his movements would still be relayed to the ship via circuitry. That same circuitry would provide feedback - the feeling of acceleration, the jostling and movement of the ship - all the "sensations" he would have as a normal human would obviously have to come to him via the ship. So if we're arguing that the presence of electric impulses in his hands is a leap too far, why not continue that to say that as a whole human he'd also be rubbish? – bharal Aug 12 '14 at 23:51
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    @bharal but you can't be a space-wizard, mostly robot AND evil! – serakfalcon Dec 16 '14 at 16:51
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    Have to disagree as well. He uses his limbs just fine elsewhere, and didn't need the computer – King of NES Nov 2 '16 at 18:42
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    That explains why Vader was only able to hit R2-D2's head when he shot at Luke's X-Wing. scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/150296/… – RichS Jan 16 '17 at 16:38
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    Eye instruments? He still has his real eyes. – J Doe Jan 16 '17 at 20:11
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First off, how are you so sure that Vader is not using the Force when he corrects his joystick? The Force is supposed to be intuition and philosophy. Does there need to be bolts of lightning for you to know he is using the Force?

The reason Luke disconnects his targeting computer I assume would be the same reason he trains blindfolded against the training droid aboard the Millennium Falcon - to completely immerse himself in the Force. For him it's a new concept, for Vader it's old.

But let's assume that joystick = no Force involved:

"The Force is strong with this one". Maybe Luke's potential as a Jedi countered Vader's space wizardry, maybe he intuitively threw off his aim?

Also, maybe something in Vader stopped him from killing the, for him, unknown X-Wing pilot? He certainly didn't have a problem blasting the other pilots. We know that Vader eventually redeemed himself by saving his son, which he was allowed to do because Luke refused to cut him down.

Vader not killing Luke here is yet another example of how a Jedi's passive attitude could influence more than the Sith's direct.

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One thing that should not be underestimated is that Jedi and Sith...even the masters of both sides themselves are not unfailable.

Yes the force gives an advantage at doing things, but still though it needs immersion and concentration and they still can fail at their doings. Else the clones would have never been able to overcome the jedi masters as they would have deflected EVERY blaster bolt back at them. And no jedi (including Anakin) would have missed with ANY shot they made during the clone wars. And if we look at the last part...even Anakin often needed multiple shots to hit enemies.

So why use the targeting computer? It is good and efficient, and gives a good base chance to hit. The force CAN be used to increase this chance as it gives a small intuition....a small glimpse of the future which means "a bit to the right,...". Thus you don't need as much concentration on trying to hit the enemy and can instead trying to concentrate on surviving yourself. Furthermore the targeting computer is a good failsave in case the force user fails with the force.

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Maybe Lucas drew inspiration from WW2 movies about dogfights, where pilots actually did adjust their gyro-based targeting computers?

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    The question asked why he need a targeting computer at all, not why he might adjust it. – Blackwood Dec 31 '17 at 1:33

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