The Mouth of Sauron is referred to as being of great age, so great he has forgotten his own name, but not a ringwraith.

How is this possible?

How does he evade the Doom of Men?

Does that imply he in fact holds a Ring of Power? (One of the Seven?)

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    The quote given in @Legion600 's answer, suggests you are conflating "forgotton" with "so old", or at least conflating age with the cause of forgetting. In my own reading The Mouth of Sauron forgot his name because it, and his early history, is simply not important. What is important is his constant and unwavering service to Sauron (i.e. not a 5-days a week job with time off on weekends), and that requires only his title.
    – Lexible
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 20:34

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In the chapter "The Black Gate Opens," Tolkien describes him as follows:

The rider was robed all in black and black was his lofty helm, yet this was no Ringwraith but a living man. The Lieutenant of the Tower of Barad-dûr he was, and his name is remembered in no tale for he himself had forgotten it: "I am the Mouth of Sauron." But it is told that he was a renegade, who came of the race of those that are named the Black Númenóreans; for they established their dwellings in Middle-earth during the years of Sauron's domination, and they worshiped him, being enamored of evil knowledge. And he entered the service of the Dark Tower when it first rose again...

The Dark Tower rose again in 2951 and the final battle took place in 3018 so the Mouth of Sauron could be Aragorn's age or older. The Númenóreans were men who had been granted long life by the Valar: Aragorn was of the Númenórean line and lived to be 212.

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    But Tolkien said "And he entered the service of the Dark Tower when it first rose again". It first rose again after the Downfall of Numenor. So wouldn't he be >3000 years old?
    – WOPR
    Commented Feb 19, 2012 at 10:20
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    No, "again": ie after Sauron revealed himself when the White Council broke Dol Guldur, during the events of The Hobbit. Commented Feb 19, 2012 at 11:35
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    and he is not any kind of ring-bearer
    – SteveED
    Commented Feb 23, 2012 at 4:50

At least one of Sauron's primary goals is to engineer his own immortality (a point discussed in works by Shippey, Rutledge, Kreeft, and practically all the "about LotR" books). It shouldn't surprise us that this once-Númenórean could worship Sauron, be his lieutenant, and live an unnaturally long life. That may have even been his reasons for siding with Sauron in the first place. Let me explain:

No less than Faramir—well versed in ancient lore and tutored by Gandalf himself—describes ancient Númenóreans becoming "enamoured" with Sauron and practicing the "black arts."

The Men of Númenor were settled far and wide on the shores and seaward regions of the Great Lands, but for the most part they fell into evils and follies. Many became enamoured of the Darkness and the black arts... It is not said that evil arts were ever practised in Gondor, or that the Nameless One was ever named in honour there.

from The Two Towers, "The Window in the West"

Considering that the passage where the Mouth of Sauron enters the scene explicitly suggests that he was a Black Númenórean, it is worthwhile to consider the plausibility of connecting the dots.

My own conclusions is this: The Mouth of Sauron is most likely one of the ancient Númenóreans who worshiped Sauron and practiced (or still practices) the black arts, and through magic (in the sense that Tolkien so often talked about magic, as a type of control or manipulation not all that different than our modern technology, but certainly different than real power) lived an absurdly long time, long enough to forget his name (and, in the spirit of LotR, to lose his true identity/self—see also Gollum; orcs (changed elves); Ringwraiths; etc.).

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    Sauron is already immortal. What does he have to arrange?
    – Oldcat
    Commented Oct 23, 2014 at 18:22
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    It's hard to accept Tolkien describing him as a living man but not mentioning that he was centuries old. Commented Dec 2, 2015 at 14:49

The Mouth of Sauron had Númenórean blood in him so therefore had a longer life span. Yes, Black Númenóreans dwindled in the Third Age and merged with other men. But the Mouth of Sauron probably still had quite a lot of Númenórean blood in him. Maybe not as much as the Black Númenórean of the Second Age but still a lot.

Aragorn obviously had Númenórean blood in him, yet he didn't live as long as someone with pure Númenórean blood. I think the same may have gone for the Mouth of Sauron; he wasn't pure Númenórean but there was enough Númenórean in him to live a very long time.


He was possibly granted a longer life span due to his association with Sauron. I say this because the black Númenóreans were long deceased by the later stage of the third age of Middle-earth.

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    Umm, source? IIRC they weren't.
    – einpoklum
    Commented Jan 22, 2014 at 14:48
  • @einpoklum - footnote to Appendix A: " After the fall of Sauron their race swiftly dwindled or became merged with the Men of Middle-earth". It's clear from context that this fall of Sauron was the one at the end of the Second Age. And that's the only other mention of Black Numenoreans in LotR.
    – user8719
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 8:55
  • @DarthSatan: Dwindling and merging is not the same being all gone...
    – einpoklum
    Commented Aug 23, 2014 at 21:17
  • All Numenoreans were dwindling and merging with lesser men; this is not a specific comment on the Black Numenoreans.
    – chepner
    Commented Oct 20, 2016 at 21:12

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