At one point in Star Wars: The Force Awakens, Finn and BB-8 are talking. Finn gives BB-8 a thumbs-up. In return, BB-8 extends a little lit welding torch. I've heard two different understandings of BB-8's gesture:

  1. It was a thumbs-up, agreeing with Finn.
  2. It was a middle finger, as BB-8 disagreed with Finn.

Which is the accurate analysis?

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    The question, while goofy, doesn't really deserve downvotes IMO. Any good reason for the vote, downvoters? Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 20:12
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    I've actually seen a lot of speculation on other websites as to what he was doing, it's obviously a thumbs up, but a lot of people aren't getting that. It's a good question. Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 20:24
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    @PaulD.Waite I didn't even consider the middle-finger possibility until I saw this question, so it goes both ways.
    – JAB
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 21:25
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    Is lighting a cigarette lighter at a concert passe? Clearly it was meant as a positive gesture. Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 22:03
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    Anyone with a modicum of exposure to character profiling and body behavior will tell you it's a thumbs up. It's clear that BB-8 is mimicking the positively reinforcing behavior displayed by Finn after they reach a newfound level of trust.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 20:27

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Some Industrial Light and Magic people discussed the process behind animating that moment, in an interview with MTV:

“We did several different prototype ideas of what that could look like, and we had various amounts of metal and plastic on there,” added Patrick Tubach, another ILM visual effects supervisor for the film. “One of the difficult things with animating something like that is you have to be very careful that it doesn’t look like he’s giving you some other sort of gesture! We moved all the pieces around to make sure it was very clearly a thumbs up over any other kind of ’salute.'”

So it is meant to be a thumbs up.

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    – AncientSwordRage
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 22:27
  • I just assumed it was a shout-out to Stan Laurel of Laurel & Hardy. Stan had a "magic lighter" where he could generate a small flame from his thumb. (Of course when Hardy managed to do it, he burned his thumb). youtube.com/watch?v=yDrYVzb5KAU Commented Jan 20, 2016 at 19:16

The novelisation of the film explicitly states that it is indeed intended to be a "thumbs-up" from BB-8

“Doing the best I can down here.” Rey vanished again. As soon as she was out of sight, the grateful Finn gave BB-8 a thumbs-up. The droid responded by shooting out a welding torch in imitation of the human’s gesture.

As does the 2017 Star Wars Annual

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"After BB-8 reveals the location of the Resistance base, both exchange a thumbs-up."

As does the Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, Updated and Expanded edition

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"Using his welding torch to give a thumbs up"

The original screenplay is slightly more ambiguous, but the intention seems pretty clear

Finn: Yeah, the Ileenium system, that's the one -- get us there as fast as you can.

A smiling Finn gives BB-8 a THUMBS UP. BB-8 quickly extends his WELDING TORCH and TURNS IT UPWARD, then retracts it.

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The film's special effects master, Neal Scanlan, explicitly confirmed in an interview with MTV.com that it was intended to be a 'thumbs up'.

"I think the reaction that BB-8 has to Finn would have been a practical effect that we shot on the Milennium Falcon, but the reaction to the thumbs up is something that definitely came later in the day," Scanlan said.

"That thumbs up moment is exactly that," confirmed Guyett. "I think it’s a real BB-8 and then we inserted a CG panel and its arm that came out. So all of his tools, if you like, when he fires his wires and he does that stuff, that’s sort of digital CG."


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    Great GIF, I can see why there's confusion... He seems to "flip" the thumbs up.
    – Lindsey D
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 23:10
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    @LindseyD - Cheers. I made the gif myself.
    – Valorum
    Commented Jan 18, 2016 at 23:22
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    The more I see it the more it looks like the bird.
    – Jasen
    Commented Jan 19, 2016 at 22:52
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    That gif gets funnier the more you watch it :,) Commented Jan 20, 2016 at 5:51
  • @LindseyD he does from this angle but if you look closely, the entire arm rotates counter clockwise (from our view)
    – Gusdor
    Commented Jan 20, 2016 at 14:44

I always thought it was a thumbs up. BB-8 thinks that Finn is honest about who he is, and BB-8 respects his honesty somehow and decides he may be a good guy after all.

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    Any evidence of this?
    – John Bell
    Commented Jan 20, 2016 at 16:56

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