In all the Deep Space Nine battles none of the ships appear to have shields, when they are hit by weapons fire the shield bubble is not visible. Why don't they show the shields?

  • Do you have examples? – Ellesedil Jan 26 '16 at 18:48
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    Can you provide any specific examples that can easily demonstrate what it is you are asking about? Some vague references to "that one time when the Klingons attacked DS9" is not very helpful. – Ellesedil Jan 26 '16 at 20:46
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    If your example is "just go watch 7 seasons of a TV show", then I'm warming up my downvote. I'm not asking for every example. I want, at least, 1 specific, crystal-clear example. – Ellesedil Jan 26 '16 at 20:48
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    No, it did not. Do you have a video, picture, or direct reference (link) that you can edit into your question that clearly demonstrates this occurring in a specific situation? Because right now, as your question currently exists, I'd need to only provide one example of a shield bubble to challenge the accuracy of your question. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and improve your question with a clear demonstration of what you are referring to. – Ellesedil Jan 26 '16 at 21:11
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    youtube.com/watch?v=EDLjtp2Ummw - Pretty much all the ship classes demonstrate shielding of one sort or another. The Cardassian ships seems to have hull-hugging shields whereas the Federation's seem to be more bubble-shaped. Where you see them being hit directly on the hull. it's usually when the enemy's firepower has instantly overmatched the shields – Valorum Jan 26 '16 at 23:57

This is a question that's bothered me for nearly 20 years now. Good on you for asking. I see a lot of attempts to explain the 'no shields' phenomenon rationally, but honestly there isn't a 'rational' in-lore explanation for it. It comes down to ease of storytelling.

Throughout the rest of the Star Trek universe contemporary with DS9 (i.e. TNG and VOY), visible (on impact, anyway) shield bubbles are ubiquitous, and generally it takes more than a single photon or quantum torpedo to destroy any warship from a major faction (Klingon, Romulan, etc.) unless said ship's shields are down. Phasers definitely couldn't one-shot a Klingon Bird-of-Prey (though because of size/strength inconsistencies and variants it's hard to tell what's what with those...), let alone take down its shields with a single hit. However, Star Trek writers are notoriously bad at maintaining consistency in their lore, which many times results in story-driven combat mechanics doing whatever the plot demands, rather than the plot giving any consideration to previously established rules of the universe.

If the large fights in DS9's dominion war were true to the way STS combat had been portrayed elsewhere, it would have taken significantly longer, with ships having to dance around as they whittle down each other's shields. The main problem the staff ran into, I think, was likely the need to portray large-scale battles within the allotted screen time in a way that would convey the action and excitement of the moment. A decision was probably made that more explosions = more excitement = better ratings, so any rank-and-file enemy fodder ships and 'redshirt' ally vessels were shown, for the most part, without shields for convenience, while any ships with main characters aboard (or that were of particular plot importance for a given episode(s)) were promoted to 'hero' status with the normal shield bubble (a.k.a. plot armor).

This is all apart from the argument concerning whether the shields should be visible as a whole or in part, or what shape or form they take -- I believe that's an entirely different discussion from what's being asked, and as such have sought to address the original question concerning their presence (or lack thereof) in the major combat during DS9's dominion war era.

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What makes you think all shields have to be visible to the naked eye? And that all ships must have shields? Especially the small ones probably don´t have one.

Edit: It did answer the question until it got edited...

So first of all small ships. Shield by any means are pretty energy intensive, lets say a shield needs the same energy as the weapon to deflect it.

Example: 2 small ships 1 with 0.5 shield 0.5 weapon 1 with 0.75 weapon 0.25 extra speed:

The faster ship is bound to win.

Comparison: 1 of the above against a bigger ship. The weapons both wont do a lot, but if the fast one has a chance, the shield wont help agasinst the strong weapons. The speed though helps to dodge shots or flee.

Another clear win for the shieldless ship.

Big Ships most likely do have shields but as stated above they can but not necessarily have to be visible, they could be magnetic fields for example.

When those films were made special effects were hard to get by so they might just have chosen not to make them visible to save the work.

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  • They don't all have to be, but a majority of the time they are visible, it's unlikely there were any ships in the huge battles without shields – Darren Jan 27 '16 at 10:15
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    I'm having trouble understanding the relevance of most of this answer. Is it just the final paragraph that addresses why shields are often not visible, while the rest is tangential discussion? – Rand al'Thor Jan 27 '16 at 11:51
  • Defensive Shield technology is described as gravitic in nature, not EM. You mix defensive shield with deflector dish. Also shield emitters aren't that big. They are very energy intensive, though, so naturally small ships will have weaker shields, not only relatively but also in numbers. Last thing - Don't prop your answer with - possibly - game stats, as it's very... risky to do. – AcePL Jan 27 '16 at 11:53

Basically: as shield tech as explained in several places shield is actually not a bubble, but a layer close to the hull.

On the other hand the shield bubble is so often depicted in various movies/shows/etc that it is unclear exactly how do they work...

For sure DS9 for the most part explained away the lack of shields as "Dominion advantage". In case of battles though... this is plot requirement. It would be hard to show any battle in such short scenes they had the time for in sufficiently "carnage-y" terms. So they made them gone in bigger battles.

Also, for quite a long time DS9 itself had "barely working" defenses, including weakened shields. Unlike most starbases encountered throughout, DS9 is not... compact design, so it naturally requires way more emitters in total, which again makes them less effective. Which shows time and time again.

And for last - the whole bubble should not be visible, as it is created by multiple independent shield emitters, so it should show only parts hit.

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  • Except that if you look at the video link in my comments, you can see the full shield bubble on DS9 on very many occasions – Valorum Jan 27 '16 at 12:43
  • @Richard - Exactly. As is mentioned in the answer: "On the other hand the shield bubble is so often depicted in various movies/shows/etc that it is unclear exactly how do they work..." It is very frustrating. – AcePL Jan 27 '16 at 14:31

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