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I do not know much about the Expanded Universe. I've only seen the first six movies and played some Star Wars computer games, and to me the question arises you see in the title.

Was Darth Plagueis even known before Episode III? When Palpatine tells Anakin about this Sith legend, how do we know that Plagueis was actually his master? From Palpatine's telling, Plagueis could have lived thousands of years ago. Especially because Palpatine says, "It's a Sith legend" and legends are mostly very very old... or did fans just make the connection after Episode III because somebody thought "wouldn't it be cool if Plagueis would be his master and then was killed by his own (in)Sidious apprentice..."?

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As far as subtle clues go, there's the bit in the film's official novelisation where Palpatine outright tells Anakin that Plageuis was his master

“Darth Plagueis was real.”

Anakin could force out only a strangled whisper. “Real … ?”

Darth Plagueis was my Master. He taught me the key to his power,” the shadow said, dryly matter-of-fact, “before I killed him.”

In the actual film script it's a little more subtle, but not much more.

ANAKIN: How do you know the ways of the Force?

PALPATINE: My mentor taught me everything about the Force . . . even the nature of the dark side.


And as far as Disney-canon confirmations are concerned, we have the following info from 'Tarkin'

The droid had once been the property of Sidious’s tutor, Plagueis, and had been in Sidious’s possession since his former master’s death, though in several different guises.

and from "Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know"

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    "In the actual film script it's a little more subtle, but not much more." - I completely disagree. I don't see how it follows from the provided quote that Palpatine's mentor actually is Darth Plagueis who is mentioned in a completely different dialogue and is mentioned only as a character of a Sith legend. It looks more to me that they decided to make Plagueis Palpatine's mentor independently of the film. – Malcolm Mar 31 '16 at 8:09
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    @malcolm - Even if that was true, it was mentioned in the accompanying novel. I'm 99% certain that it wasn't a retcon – Valorum Mar 31 '16 at 8:56
  • Well, retcon is when a previously existing fact is altered, and here the information appears at the same time, so it's definitely not a retcon. Nonetheless, to me it seems to be a disagreement between the movie and the book. – Malcolm Mar 31 '16 at 9:20
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    @malcolm - Yes, but confirmed on multiple occasions in canon sources. For the record, I agree that it wasn't spelled out in the film, but at the time (and since) I'm at a loss how it could be sensibly read any other way. – Valorum Mar 31 '16 at 10:54
  • It would be an interesting question to ask why did Palpatine say the story about Plagueis, his master, that only he should know, was a Sith "legend". – J Doe Mar 31 '16 at 16:14
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If you accept EU Legends as an answer, there is a book called "Darth Plagueis" by James Luceno, in which Darth Plagueis meets Sheev Palpatine and recruits him to be his Sith apprentice.

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The movies themselves don't definitively tell us that Plagueis was Sidious' master for the reasons you point out, but the canon novel Tarkin mentions that fact and gives an estimate as to when Sidious murdered Plagueis:

[Sidious and Tarkin] had met several years after Sidious -- still an apprentice of Darth Plagueis at the time -- had been appointed Naboo’s representative to the Republic Senate.

p. 102

Also, Darth Sidious' biography on starwars.com states that Sidious murdered his master Plagueis (in the caption for the first picture, of Sidious exiting a Lambda-class shuttle):

starwars.com biography picture

The novel Darth Plagueis deals extensively with Sidious' apprenticeship to Darth Plagueis, but it's part of Legends.

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