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Image of a pensive Batman with a quotation overlaid

"If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person... and deep down, I'm not."
-Batman

Now, I'm not asking about the conflict between Batman and Superman. What I'm asking is, why does he think he is a bad person? Is this mentality explained somewhere in the movie or comic book universes?

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    Beats people up, breaks bones, intimidates by fear, brands people... Not the sort of person my Mum would have to tea ;) – G.James Apr 1 '16 at 11:59
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    Batman is a vigilante, on a day of plenty self-loathing he could see this as being a bad person. – Kevin Apr 1 '16 at 12:03
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    Deep down, Batman is Ben Affleck. Nuff said really. – Moo Apr 1 '16 at 15:01
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    @BCdotWEB I transcribed it - also, it turns out it's from this comic: dc.wikia.com/wiki/Batman_Vol_1_612 – recognizer Apr 1 '16 at 15:50
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    should this have the Batman v Superman tag? I don't believe this is in the movie. – kuhl Apr 1 '16 at 17:38
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The fact is that, in that moment of enlightment, Bruce finally realizes that Superman, in fact, is a hero. One that's difficult to understand due to the incredible amount of power he bears, but a truly sentient soul whose ultimate goal is to help mankind.

On the other hand, Batman has PTSD, and he often tortures himself on the least excuse he has, probably as a result of the trauma he suffered being a child. He always think's not doing enough, that he's not living to the high ideal that himself had created.

You can see this tortured line of thought when he says that maybe this is the only good thing he's gonna do and Alfred asks him if 20 years fighting crime doesn't count for nothing.

  • And Bruce Wayne is not a hero? – gnasher729 Sep 15 '18 at 21:42
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Superman represents hope. He is 'super kind'. I mean he got super powers and his arch-enemy is a human Lex Luthor, granted he is all rich and great mind, but Superman can slap him to dead, but he won't, cause he is 'super nice'.

Now take Batman, he operates on fear, he moves in shadow, and drops in from no where and scares the hell out of his enemies. He intimidates his enemy, so he has to maintain his reputation of being a bad-ass.

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    In the Arkham Knight game, they did a great job of showing Batman's role as a predator. There is a part of the game where you play as the Joker, and you are being hunted by the Batman. It plays like a FPS horror game because you literally don't know where he'll strike from or if he is even there. – Kimberly W Apr 1 '16 at 15:15
  • Oh i agree man. It was creepy. – Theravada Apr 1 '16 at 18:47
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This quote comes from the HUSH storyline, specifically Chapter 5 The Battle, or Batman Vol 1 #612.

Here's the scene: enter image description here

To understand why he says this, it's important to know that he's fighting Superman at the time. In this case, he's fighting a Superman being controlled by Poison Ivy, courtesy of some kryptonite-laced lipstick.

The key phrase, right before the quote in question, is:

If you want to beat your opponent, Bruce, you have to think like your opponent.

Well, Clark doesn't think about unleashing everything he has to take down an enemy. He's trained himself to use as little of his godly power as necessary to end conflicts. His goodness affects him at a fundamental level, which we see as the fight continues. For example, Superman uses his ice breath to freeze hand with the kryptonite ring, and Bruce thinks this to himself:

Arctic breath. He's holding back as much as he can...
...and I have to keep the pressure on.

All through the fight, Batman is doing everything he can to pummel and distract Superman, leading to distracting Superman into destroying the power grid for Metropolis (although backups kick on immediately).

The difference between the two is pronounced. Bruce is a vigilante, operating outside the law, and he'll do whatever it takes to succeed in his mission. Maybe he won't kill, but he'll use sneaky tactics, tricks, and excessive force.

Including having Catwoman capture Lois Lane and have her thrown off of a building, all to get Superman to come to his senses and leave the fight. Although Superman wasn't happy about this.

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He ends up thanking Batman anyway.

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Why? Because, perhaps, deep-down, Bruce is a good person.

What the Hush storyline covers is a lot of Batman questioning himself, who he is, and what he's done. He's convinced himself he's not a good person, because of the way he works and the losses he's suffered (and maybe caused), such as the death of Jason Todd. We're not necessarily supposed to trust Batman's own evaluation of himself, in this case.

In the end, I believe he said those words because he's a man filled with regret, from not being good enough to protect all those he loves, and for isolating himself from everyone who would want to get close to him. Just as he's put up a wall between himself and all those others, he's put up a wall between his true self and how he decides to see himself.

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    This is the only answer that actually looks at the context of the quote, and it deserves a lot more attention for such good work interpreting the quote within the themes of the story it appears in. – Torisuda Apr 9 '17 at 22:07
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To me, the essence of the Batman character is this: His is broken; he knows it; yet, he uses it — it gives him power. It's his motivation. In one Justice League (Unlimited?) episode, it was mentioned that...

"Batman has one superpower: he never gives up" (paraphrased).

I believe this quote is made during the final episode by

Amanda Waller

One can imagine all sorts of things that a "good" person would simply not do, that Bruce Wayne would do, without flinching. Not things that are evil, necessarily; just things that are unsavory. (In fact, in some situations, doing something unsavory might be the right thing to do.)

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    +1 just for quoting s2e13 Epilogue of JLU, the greatest episode of any TV show. Even though I'm not sure that quote actually comes from there. – Nacht Apr 2 '16 at 0:33
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It occurs to me this is explained because Batman and Superman follow different ethics systems. Superman follows Deontological ethics because he follows his duty by doing only what is right (or following his morals). He wont't take a candy from a child for doing a greater good. However, Batman practices the Consequentialist ethics. He will do anything, and will follow any means to achieve a result. Fear, intimidation, weapons are valid tools if they will achieve a result he believes will do good. They will often disagree in methods but possibly would achieve similar results in some cases. Now, both are orphans. Justice is orphan. There are differences, though. Superman has been rescued, adopted and loved. He is the ultimate protector to the race (humans) who welcomed him. Batman's actions are against people like the ones who caused him harm (by killing his parents) when he was a child. His soul is hurt and is struggles not to go too far on punishing the bad guys.

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In various points in batman's history, he himself has stated a few times that he does not defend whats good, he defends justice. period.

  • So what's the relevance of this point to the question? Could you please expand or elaborate? – Möoz Apr 26 '17 at 0:14
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The best explanation in universe for him saying this is that that he's speaking a different way than what one might think. Philosophically, a person who is good is a person who society thinks is beneficial to them and follows the law and all that. Bruce is not "good" in that sense. At the heart of what/who Batman is is not "good" in that way, but Superman is.

In this interpretation, he is saying Superman is beholden to society and what they view as good. Batman is not. If it is necessary to kill to do what is ultimately right, he will. Superman will not, because Superman is more concerned with being "good" (ie how society views him), rather than being right.

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Batman is saying that Superman is bound by the rules of 'fair play' - whilst he isn't. Simple as that.

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