In The Force Awakens, Kylo Ren makes it very clear that he wants the Skywalker lightsaber.

That lightsaber belongs to me!

My question is, why did he want it?

It belonged to two people, Luke, who he considered an enemy, and Anakin, who unlike Vader, Kylo did not respect.

Vader did briefly use the lightsaber, but would Kylo even know that?

Why would Kylo want the lightsaber of two men he didn't respect?

  • On a deeper level, what did Kylo mean by belongs. That it was his by rights of inheritance/succession or simply 'I am going to be taking that from you'
    – Skooba
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 16:10
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    – RedCaio
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 16:57

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Because Ren is obsessed with Vader, finishing what Vader started, and quite frankly sort of has a legitimate claim of inheritance.

Abrams explained this in an interview with IGN.

“Kylo Ren idolizes Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker,” Abrams explained. “He idolizes what Vader represents and what Vader was trying to do. The idea that Vader didn’t succeed, if you look at it from Ren’s point of view, he was seduced by the enemy and failed because of that seduction. So the idea is that Ren wants to complete the thing that Vader started.”

Ren discusses with Snoke the fact that he, unlike Vader, is immune to the light, and will finish what Vader started. We see that Ren already has the remnants of Vader's armor, which he would probably use himself, if it were wearable.

“Kylo Ren, I watched the Galactic Empire rise, and then fall. The gullible prattle on about the triumph of truth and justice, of individualism and free will. As if such things were solid and real instead of simple subjective judgments. The historians have it all wrong. It was neither poor strategy nor arrogance that brought down the Empire. You know too well what did.”

Ren nodded once. “Sentiment.”

“Yes. Such a simple thing. Such a foolish error of judgment. A momentary lapse in an otherwise exemplary life. Had Lord Vader not succumbed to emotion at the crucial moment— had the father killed the son— the Empire would have prevailed. And there would be no threat of Skywalker’s return today.”

“I am immune to the light,” Ren assured him confidently. “By the grace of your training, I will not be seduced.”

“Your self-belief is commendable, Kylo Ren, but do not let it blind you. No one knows the limits of his own power until it has been tested to the utmost, as yours has not been. That day may yet come. There has been an awakening in the Force. Have you felt it?”

Ren nodded. “Yes.”

“The elements align, Kylo Ren. You alone are caught in the winds of the storm. Your bond is not just to Vader, but to Skywalker himself. Leia…”

“There is no need for concern.” Despite the Supreme Leader’s cautioning, Ren’s assurance remained unbounded. “Together we will destroy the Resistance— and the last Jedi.”

Between his obsession and

bloodline, which gives him a sort of rightful, if twisted claim of inheritance.

it makes perfect sense that Ren would want Vader's lightsaber.

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    Is there any evidence that Kylo knew it belonged to Vader? Wouldn't he just think of it as Anakin's?
    – Rogue Jedi
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 16:37
  • @RogueJedi Kylo doesn't make any such distinction regarding Vader's helmet and mask, despite being fully aware that said helmet and mask by all rights belonged to Anakin Skywalker, the last individual to wear it! :)
    – David H
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 17:06
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    If you want to split hairs about "Anakin" vs "Vader" ever owning it, Vader only owned it from the time Anakin was made Vader until he lost it on Mustafar, a very short time. Luke owned it for much longer. If Ren truly saw a distinction between the two, he wouldn't care about it.
    – phantom42
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 17:16
  • "and quite frankly sort of has a legitimate claim of inheritance" I don't understand what you mean here. Care to elaborate on how Ren has a "legitimate claim of inheritance" to the weapon?
    – RedCaio
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 19:53
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    He is Anakin/Vader's grandson. Were he not a homicidal psychopath, such an item might normally be passed down to him. And with Luke missing, possibly dead, and no other publicly known Skywalker heirs, why shouldn't the grandson of Anakin/Vader not be able to claim the lightsaber as rightfully his?
    – phantom42
    Commented Apr 2, 2016 at 21:08

I think the simplest* possible explanation is that Kylo saw that Rey's lightsaber was:

  • fully assembled,

  • functioning correctly,

  • and seeming in good condition,

and Kylo Ren merely saw this as a great opportunity to upgrade his equipment. The cross-guard lightsaber Kylo Ren uses isn't exactly quality craftsmanship; it was merely the best he could come up with given an incomplete set of component parts and most likely incomplete knowledge in how to construct it.

Kylo Ren may have indeed been completely oblivious as to that lightsaber's previous owners.

*While I feel safe in asserting this is the simplest explanation, that of course doesn't always mean it's the correct explanation. =)

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